Roger, the other side of this coin is the rule of law. If Trump is not reigned
in, by impeachment or election; others in his party, including our current VP
will have unrestricted access to any unlawful deed they may see fit. Remember,
Pence could eventually be impeached himself if he breaks the law like Trump did.
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 3:53 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re:
[blind-democracy] Why working people shouldn’t join the liberals’ impeachment
crusade
John W. Campbell, Jr. is known for having said, "A difference that makes no
difference is no difference." So I suppose you are saying that somehow Mike
Pence would make some significant difference over Donald Trump?
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degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest species of moral
evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence. ???
??? David Hume,
On 11/12/2019 3:26 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
To the extent that you would like to live in a democratic country, what our
politicians do or don't do, certainly does affect you. If the people whose
salaries your taxes are paying, are hurting some of us, destroying our
environment, and waging war all over the world, one way or another, we're
affected. So to that extent, it is your fight. Of course, if you don't vote
and you don't care what happens, then it isn't.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:25 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Why working people
shouldn???t join the liberals??? impeachment crusade
I agree with Roger's following comment: "I am not a supporter of impeachment
myself. The reasons given here for not giving impeachment our support are
legitimate enough, but in my case I just don't see it as our fight. It is a
question of squabbling among the bourgeoisie and if Trump is impeached or if
Trump is removed from office it really doesn't effect the rest of us all that
much."
Well said.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/12/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Commenting on the below article. I am so glad that the Militant
published this article making it clear that they do not support
Donald Trump in any way. These articles expressing disdain for the
impeachment drive have been making me very uncomfortable. I could see
that they were not expressing support for Trump, but I was afraid
that it was not clear to everyone and I can't blame Virginia
Wilkinson for thinking that the Militant did support Trump. It really seemed
to be coming close to that.
I am not a supporter of impeachment myself. The reasons given here
for not giving impeachment our support are legitimate enough, but in
my case I just don't see it as our fight. It is a question of
squabbling among the bourgeoisie and if Trump is impeached or if
Trump is removed from office it really doesn't effect the rest of us
all that much. I don't see that Mike Pence would be any better than
Trump. But having disdain for the impeachment drive is a far cry from
supporting Trump.
I can only say that I would really like the Militant to make that as
clear?? in every article about that subject as it does in this article.
https://themilitant.com/2019/11/09/why-working-people-shouldnt-join-t
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e-liberals-impeachment-crusade/
Reply to a reader
Why working people shouldn???t join the liberals??? impeachment
crusade
??By Terry Evans
Vol. 83/No. 42
November 18, 2019
In a letter to the Militant?? reader Virginia Wilkinson says she
started reading the paper for its good labor coverage, but cannot
???sympathize with your support for Donald Trump, who has shown no
signs of genuine support for working people.???
But the Militant?? has never offered one ounce of support to the
president. For 90 years since it first came out, the Militant?? has
never backed any Democrat, Republican or other capitalist politician.
And there is no question Donald Trump ??? a real estate mogul ???
rules for the
propertied class.
The Militant?? campaigned in every 2016 issue for Alyson Kennedy, the
Socialist Workers Party candidate for U.S. president, and urged
workers to break from the two parties of capitalist rule, the
Democrats and Republicans, no matter who they nominated.
The paper???s headline that Wilkinson cites ??? ???Liberals Drive to
Oust Trump Built on Fear of Working Class??? ??? accompanies an
article that explains, ???All wings of the Democratic Party, like
Trump and all the Republicans, defend the interests of the
country???s capitalist rulers at home and stand ready to wield
Washington???s military might to advance their interests abroad.???
And the Militant?? champions battles by labor and all those oppressed
and exploited against the bosses, their politicians and the
government in power that serves them, including Trump???s.
But there are crucial questions for working people in opposing the
campaign of the liberals and their craven media that seek to overturn
the 2016 election. Their real target is the working people who voted
for Trump, or who couldn???t bring themselves to vote for any of the
bosses???
candidates.
This includes millions of workers Hillary Clinton called ???deplorable,???
who were looking for a change from what successive Democratic and
Republican administrations have done to aid the bosses in their
assaults on workers. These attacks have not let up during the
so-called economic recovery that followed the 2007 financial crisis.
Millions were drawn to vote for someone like Trump, who stood outside
the factions of both bourgeois parties, and who demagogically claimed
he would halt the carnage facing working people and ???drain the swamp??? in
Washington.
The liberals ??? who have backed the capitalist rulers??? drive to
boost profits whenever they???ve been in office ??? think they???re
entitled to ???regulate??? and control the lives of the rest of us,
especially those who
don???t vote the way they think we should. Democratic Congressman Al
Green says the reason Trump must be impeached is to prevent people
from reelecting him.
Rising fear of working people
Liberals along with the ruling rich have a rising fear of working
people. They fear us because growing numbers of working people
recognize that the bosses and their parties have no solution to the
crisis of their system that doesn???t involve making workers pay.
This has made more workers open to fighting declining living and
working conditions and to discussing an independent working-class political
road forward.
The capitalist rulers fear coming working-class struggles ??? battles
in which our confidence in our own capacities will grow, as we
acquire consciousness of ourselves as a fighting class with interests
in common with other workers worldwide.
The Militant?? tells the truth about the methods used by the liberals
in their witch hunt of the president that are dangerous for the working
class.
These include using and praising Washington???s political police, the
FBI and CIA; grand juries and secret star chamber ???hearings???; and
hearsay claims from secret witnesses you have no chance to confront or
refute.
All these are features of the capitalist ???justice??? system
that???s regularly used against workers. But in this case it involves
an effort to impeach and indict a capitalist politician who was
elected to the presidency. They???re taking steps to limit the
franchise to prevent us ???voting the wrong way.???
They trample on constitutional protections working people have fought
for??? from the Bill of Rights to the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments
to the U.S. Constitution conquered in the second American Revolution.
These are crucial to protect our ability to discuss and act in our
own class interests without government disruption. The anti-Trump
???resistance???
sets precedents to be used against fighting workers and opponents of
Washington???s wars as the crisis of capitalism deepens, as the
rulers have done time and time again.
Opposing the liberals??? drive to oust the president can???t be
equated with
giving him one iota of political support. Working people have nothing
to gain from relying on the bosses, their parties or their
government, and everything to win by organizing ourselves
independently of them to fight for our own class interests. Jealously
guarding our hard-won rights is a cornerstone of working people???s line of
march forward.
In This Issue
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???US-Chinese rulers??? rivalry grows despite new trade deal
??????Break from bosses 2-party system, build a labor party???
???New book ???The Turn to Industry??? boosts fall ???Militant,???
book drive ???Why working people shouldn???t join the liberals???
impeachment crusade ???California blackout, fire show need for
workers control of power companies
Feature Articles ???Iraqi protests grow, demand halt to Tehran???s
interference ???Socialist Workers Party 2020 campaign program
Also In This Issue ???As competition heats up, retail bosses tell
workers, ???Speed up???
???DC meeting: ???US hands off Cuba and Venezuela???
???UK election: ???Workers need our own political party???
???Fight continues to keep last abortion clinic in Missouri ???Israel
protest: ???Don???t deport Filipino classmates???
???Courts back two capitalist parties??? ballot monopoly ???After GM
workers settle, workers at Ford debate, vote on new contract ???Fall
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David Hume
??? In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all
imaginable degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the
lowest species of moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions
his belief to the evidence. ???
??? David Hume,
