[blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] FW: ​For the First Time in My Life I’m Against Impeaching the President

  • From: Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:45:05 -0700

I've got this hopeless feeling...and we're still a full year away from
the Primary.  If we wind up with old Uncle Joe, we'll still be looking
at the last days of our once "Great Experiment".  We need a strong,
bright, fearless Leader.  Even an FDR will not do the trick.
Roosevelt basically saved the American Republic, but we do not want to
save what the United States has become; a Corporate Capitalism.  It
looks to me like the very best the Democrats can promise is someone
who will shore up the sagging government.  Then, in the next 4 or 8
years the Republicans will return to gnaw on the bones.

Carl Jarvis


On 9/11/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Every petition I've seen, includes Russiagate. If the Dems start impeachment
proceedings with this Russia stuff as a prominent charge, they will only
accomplish Trump's re election. If they omit the Russia stuff, there will at
least be an investigation into his real crimes. I think that as president,
his worst may have been, inciting to violence".

Miriam

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 3:49 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] FW: ​For the First Time in
My Life I’m Against Impeaching the President

Well, I think he is wrong not to demand the House begin impeachment
proceedings.
David Swanson might consider demanding that chairman Gerrold Nadler
investigate the documented violations and lies and misconduct by Donald
Trump, that threatens our Constitution.
Carl Jarvis: Nervously waiting for the Democrats next "compromise".

"...House Judiciary Chairman Jerrold Nadler has made clear that he will use
it to focus on the disastrous and counterproductive unproven and unprovable
claims of Russiagate rather than on the dozens of indisputable public acts
through which Trump has committed open and acknowledged (and in some cases
acknowledged  by Nadler) impeachable offenses."



On 9/11/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree with him. As a matter of fact, I responded to an email from
Common Cause asking me to sign a petition urging my congressman to
support impeachment yesterday by saying that I wouldn’t sign their
petition because it included allusions to Russiagate (Trump’s
obstruction of justice). I said that all of the other charges were
important and they, plus Trump’s mental incapacity, should have been
reasons for starting impeachment procedures immediately upon his
election and that Common Cause should be working to end the electoral
college.

Miriam



From: David Swanson via WarIsACrime.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:06 AM
To: miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: ​For the First Time in My Life I’m Against Impeaching the
President







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For the First Time in My Life I’m Against Impeaching the President By
David Swanson
http://davidswanson.org/for-the-first-time-in-my-life-im-against-impea
ching-the-president/

I had hoped to make the above statement after electing a president
whom I did not consider a vile mass-murderous warmongering
climate-destroying threat to humanity. I’m saying it early. I’m saying
it while Trump is president.

But I’m not saying it because I’ve come to share any of the common
views
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president than whether presidents can be held accountable, so I’m not
quaking in fear of President Pence. I do not think an indictment is
useless without a conviction, so I’m not predicting doom and demanding
inaction. Nor have I gained the magical ability to foresee the
impossibility of conviction. Nor do I have any interest in electing
Democrats, much less the belief that more of them will be elected the
more they look like losers who will roll over and take any abuse. I
also think the failure to impeach Trump makes Trump more likely to
stay in office an extra four years — no matter how much he squeals
about being left in a briar patch.

The reason I’m against impeachment is that House Judiciary Chairman
Jerrold Nadler has made clear that he will use it to focus on the
disastrous and counterproductive unproven and unprovable claims of
Russiagate rather than on the dozens of indisputable public acts
through which Trump has committed open and acknowledged (and in some
cases acknowledged by Nadler) impeachable offenses.



Yes, yes, yes, someone in Russia may have bought an infinitesimally
small amount of very weird advertisements on Facebook.

Yes, of course, Trump has shady business dealings in Russia as in
every other part of the earth.

Yes, Trump has obstructed justice and refused to comply with subpoenas
in connection with Russiagate-ish things.

But a Russiagate impeachment is good for Trump and bad for humanity.

It amounts to an endless repetition of the basic truths that nobody
Russian, much less the Russian government, influenced the outcome of the
U.S.
election, that Trump never conspired with the Russian government to
influence the election, that Russia never hacked into election
machines or electricity grids, that Trump has not been a Russian agent
for decades, that Trump didn’t steal Democrats’ emails or give them to
WikiLeaks, that the content of those emails (the corruption of the
Democratic primaries, and the nastiness of the Democratic nominee)
were the reason for the invention of the Russiagate distraction, and
that the Democrats have made themselves look like jackasses for three
years.

All of this is bad for any hope of cleaning up actual problems with the
U.S.
election system, including the financial corruption, the media
failure, the electoral college, the two-party system, debate access,
ballot access, gerrymandering, unverifiable counts, racist roll
purging, and a candidate who openly intimidates and instigates violence.

Russiagate also creates a competition among its various supporters and
detractors to appear tougher than the other guy on Russia, more eager
to enflame hostilities, more prepared to consign us all to nuclear
apocalypse.
If Russiagate were a prescription drug, every “news” story about it
would have to have carried that warning: “Viewing this may increase
the risk of nuclear war.”

Russiagate is also horrible for impeachment. After making Trump look
good and his critics look like idiots, a Russiagate impeachment is the
most likely to fail in the House and if passed by the House to fail in
the Senate. The result will be a free pass, even more powerful than
the post-Bill-Clinton pass handed to George W. Bush, for presidents to
do simply anything without fear of impeachment. Because, just as the
Democrats blame Russia for their lousy election, they will blame the
impeachment process itself for their lousy impeachment.

It didn’t have to be this way. I have been far from alone in demanding
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inauguration day. I have not been the only one denouncing
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and should have happened in January 2017 on the grounds of violation
of both emoluments clauses of the U.S. Constitution. Impeachment could
have and should have happened when Trump tried to ban Muslims, when he
threatened nuclear war, when he took children from their families and
locked them up, when he abused the pardon power, when he declared
phony emergencies in order to violate the law, when he failed to
prepare for or respond to hurricanes, when he waged wars and plotted
coups and told various subordinates he’d have their backs if they
broke the law.

If impeachment at any point had reversed the offenses, had reformed
the policies — which is what impeachment efforts in the past have
usually done — that would have been a significant accomplishment.
Instead, Trump has been given immunity, and his brazenness has increased
accordingly.

Even now, impeachment hearings for the right reasons would educate the
public, and the media, and the Senators. But that will clearly never
ever happen. “Impeachment” simply means Russiagate to U.S. Congress
Members and television viewers. So, I am against it. At the risk of
having all the wrath of the impeachers redirected to myself, let me
say that I am in favor of friendship and peace with Russia, and of
survival for the human species.

You can forward this email to friends and people can join this list
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. He is a 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee.
Swanson was awarded the 2018 Peace Prize by the U.S. Peace Memorial
Foundation.
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