[blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Jill Stein: 'A Green New Deal'

  • From: Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 09:20:56 -0700

While I agree with you Bob, that Jill Stein is the better candidate, I
disagree that she can transition this Empire into anything close to a
Workers Paradise. Remember, as much as we've been programmed to
believe our government is better than Mom or Apple Pie, it was a
flawed attempt to build a democracy to replace the tyrannical boot of
the British Empire. This new government which we so revere, protected
the White, Land Holders and Slavers. It did not protect Women,
Workers without property, or Negroes. That included the so called
Free Negroes of the Northern Colonies. A free negro could be
kidnapped on the streets of his home town and smuggled into a Slave
State where he would be enslaved until his death.
We have done the unforgivable. We have cast our Constitution in
concrete . We have made near Saints of our Fore Fathers, praising
their far-sighted wisdom. This has cut off most close inspections of
the founding documents and protected the flawed lives and thinking of
those leaders.
Certainly they took bold steps in revolting against tyranny, and in
producing a very different structure of government. But that was in a
very different world. Today we are struggling to reshape and mold
this great American Experiment into something that it cannot do. That
bold effort worked for the Ruling Class of the day, but it is not
cutting it for anyone today. Not, most certainly for the Working
Class, the Lower Class and People of Color, but it is even beginning
to fail the Ruling Class. It has been patched and re patched until it
is hardly the same government that the Founders envisioned.
So while Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders might be able to put on some
new dressings on old wounds, they could never create a Workers
Paradise. Only the Workers can do that. And only if they convene and
begin drafting a new government form to replace the floundering
Empire.

Carl Jarvis


On 7/5/15, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Roger,
I did not word that first sentence properly. Here is what I meant to say.
Bob Hachey

Hi Roger,
I'd argue that Stein represents a worthy midpoint in the transition from
today's horrible US government to a workers paradise.
Yes, she does accept the corporate forms, but workers would get a far
better
deal under Stein than with any other candidate including Sanders whose
support of current foreign policy would make it difficult to make the
massive military cuts needed to free up funding for things like better
infrastructure and a living wage for all Americans. Short of revolt, I'll
support folks like Sanders and Stein as vast improvements over what we
have
today. IF Sanders does ask his supporters to go for Clinton, he will lose
my
support faster than water running down the drane.
Bob Hachey





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