Gloria La Riva is the presidential candidate of the Party for Socialism
and Liberation. She has been a leading member of that party since its
founding and was very prominent in the Workers World Party before that.
I probably will not be voting for her. I have too many differences with
the PSL. Its still early, though, and there will be other candidates
announcing. It's just that Gloria looks best right now. You do not have
to be one of the anointed to have heard of her nor to have a good handle
on her politics. What you do have to do, though, is to not get all of
your political information from sources that deliberately ignore her. If
you get your political news from only the mainstream bourgeois news
outlets or from the bourgeois liberal sources from which you get most of
the articles you post then you will not have heard of her. As for the
Green Party, well, there are some people who have infiltrated it and
call themselves watermelons. That is, they claim to be green on the
outside and red on the inside. One prominent one is Peter Camejo. He was
the Socialist Workers Party candidate for president in 1976. The last I
heard of him he was a stock broker. It seems to be rather ironic that he
can call himself red on the inside in that case, but that was what he
was calling himself. Also the last I heard of him he had contracted
cancer. I don't know what the outcome of that has been. Anyway, the
Green Party does not have a working class perspective itself. Even if
there are some true watermelons in it - and if there are I think they
are making a mistake - they are only cooperating with a party with a
bourgeois class perspective. It has no perspective at all of eradicating
capitalism and no perspective of putting the working class in power. If
the entire working class along with the unions joined and supported the
Green Party it would still be controlled by bourgeois liberals. In fact,
the power base of the Green party would likely at least start drifting
to the right if faced with what they would regard as rabble in their
midst. It is the same as herding the working class into the Democrat
party. It is just asking for co-optation and the subordination of
workers struggles. Independent action is what is needed. Class
collaboration has always brought about working class defeat. In an
independent labor party the working class would be acting in its own
interests. At least they would if they did not let class
collaborationist bureaucrats take it over like in the major unions. Of
course you might say that there is no independent labor party for the
workers to join right now and the Green Party is here right now. Well,
that is just a way to ensure that there won't be an independent labor
party in the future.
On 9/22/2015 9:25 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
He probably never heard of her. I haven't. Why would anyone vote for a
completely unknown quantity, just a name endorsed by a party? She might not
even be on the ballot in his state. That's my point. You have to be one of
the anointed to know about these people. Wouldn't it be better if all of the
people who were unhappy with the corporate Democrats and had similar views
on needed changes, got together in a really large group and then organized?
And since the Green Party already is able to get their candidate on the
ballot in many states and has more resources and more recognition, why not
all join together in that party? So what if they're not politically correct?
They're close enough at least make a stab at changing things.
Miriam
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Have you considered Gloria La Riva?
On 9/22/2015 3:58 PM, Bob Hachey wrote:
Hi Miriam,decision.
All good points. I do wonder though if folks like Sanders and FDR make
it easier for the ruling class to remain in control as Hedges
suggests. No doubt, they've both made life better for lots of low
income folks. If, somehow, sanders is on the final ballot for
president, I still may be tempted to vote for Jill Stein. That may be
a decision made in the voting booth. Let's hope I get to make such a
Bob
