Along time ago, I did a bunch of reading on the subject of Israel Palestine and
how that all came about. And of course, the BRITs we’re at the bottom of it.
Because they promised one thing to the herbs through one document the name of
which I can’t remember. And they promised another thing to the Jews with the
Balfour declaration, a declaration that was supposed to get greater do you wish
support for world war one in England. So then they get these so-called mandate
under the league of Nations after the ottoman empire breaks up at the close of
World War I. But we’re back at the beginning of the Zionist movement, when
Theatre Herzl sent somebody, whose name I also don’t remember, over to
Palestine, that person wrote a letter back to Herzl which said “the bride is
beautiful. But she already has any husband. Or something very close to that.
Another words, from the very beginning, they knew that that land was occupied
by somebody else.
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, the Jews thought they had a write to go back to the land that the
bible talked about. Even the socialist Jews who weren't religious, thought
that. Small groups started returning, as they'd put it, in the late eighteen
hundreds. But it wasn't until after the first world war when the Balfore
Declaration gave Palestine to Great Britain that more Jews began to emigrate
there. There's a lovely novel called, I think, People of the Book, which
romanticizes this and tells the story from the point of view of the Jews.
Geraldine Brooks is the author and it's on BARD.
Miriam
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Miriam,
It seems to me that the fact that you have been open minded when he learned
other facts should be reason enough to assuage any possible guilt that you
might be feeling. After all, back in the day, there was a universal collect
truth, that said that of course is real had a right to exist in the Middle
East. All those Arabs were a bunch of barbarians. And the Jews deserve the
homeland because of what has been done to them by the Eastern European and
western Europeanz throughout the centuries, culminating in the Holocaust.
Funny. Nobody ask Germany to give up its territory to give to the Jews as a
Jewish homeland.
Mary
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On Oct 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
centeredness and emotional blindness.
Bob,
I remember when I, too, thought it was good to give Israel weapons so
that it could defend itself. That was back when I felt that Israel
certainly had the right to be a homeland for Jews because of what
centuries of anti-semitism and then Nazi Germany had done to us. I
believed that as did my family and Bernie Sanders and Noam Chomsky. I
really did think, as we were told back then, that the Palestinians
who, by the way were never called Palestinians, only Arabs, should
just go to some other Arab country and leave the land to the Jews who
would take better care of it than they, the Arabs had. That's what we
Jews said and believed. It never occurred to me that Palestinians were
people who had been living on their land for centuries, had farms and
cities, grew olive and fig trees and orange trees, and had traditions.
I never question if just because others had been treating us, the
Jews, abominably for centuries, that maybe we didn't have a right to
dispossess another people in order to gain a sense of security. I
don't think that I will ever recover from my guilt for this cultural self
Weapons for.
Miriam
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Hi Miriam and all,
I say good for you Bernie, better late than never. Seems to me that we
create lots of bad situations when we sell and give weapons to others.
Yes, there was a time when I could argue that giving weapons to Isreal
was justified as they were being attacked by their neighbors who were
much stronger; but that was many years ago. I hate this whole idea of
"the enemy of our enemy is our friend." It got us in trouble in the
cold War days and it keeps doing the same. By the way, I don't think
any Iranians have smashed hijacked planes into American buildings.
This is the price we pay for having weapons as one of our top exports,
not something to be proud of by any means. I can't stop thinking about
that John Denver song I share here a logn time ago, "what are we Making
Some Americans argue that it is our weapons that help make Americahuman rights.
great. I believe, in many ways, these weapons diminish any greatness
we may claim to have.
Bob Hachey
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We Must Stop Helping Saudi Arabia in Yemen By Bernie Sanders, The New
York Times
25 October 18
Congress needs to step in to end our complicity in the kingdom's human
rights abuses.
The likely assassination of the Saudi critic and Washington Post
journalist Jamal Khashoggi underscores how urgent it has become for
the United States to redefine our relationship with Saudi Arabia, and
to show that the Saudis do not have a blank check to continue violating
unconstitutional.
One place we can start is by ending United States support for the war
in Yemen. Not only has this war created a humanitarian disaster in one
of the world's poorest countries, but also American involvement in
this war has not been authorized by Congress and is therefore
have lost their homes.
In March 2015, a coalition of Arab states led by Saudi Arabia and the
United Arab Emirates started a war against Yemen's Houthi rebels.
Since then, many thousands of civilians have been killed and many more
Millions are now at the risk of the most severe famine in more thanwar began.
100 years, according to the United Nations. The chaos in Yemen has
also provided fertile ground for extremist groups like Al Qaeda and
the Islamic State, and created new opportunities for intervention by Iran.
The United States is deeply engaged in this war. We are providing
bombs the Saudi-led coalition is using, we are refueling their planes
before they drop those bombs, and we are assisting with intelligence.
In far too many cases, the bomb's targets have been civilian ones. In
one of the more horrible recent instances, an American-made bomb
obliterated a school bus full of young boys, killing dozens and
wounding many more. A CNN report found evidence that American weapons
have been used in a string of such deadly attacks on civilians since the
equipment.
Yet last month, responding to congressional concerns, Secretary of
State Mike Pompeo officially certified to Congress - and Secretary of
Defense James Mattis affirmed - that the Saudis and Emiratis are
making "every effort to reduce the risk of civilian casualties."
The data refute these claims. According to the independent monitoring
group Yemen Data Project, between March 2015 and March 2018, more than
30 percent of the Saudi-led coalition's targets have been nonmilitary.
According to the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data project,
civilian deaths in one region increased by more than 160 percent over
the summer from earlier in the year.
People inside the administration understand these facts. Several days
after Mr. Pompeo issued the certification, The Wall Street Journal
reported that he had overruled the State Department's own regional and
military experts, siding instead with members of his legislative
affairs staff who argued that not certifying could endanger United
States arms sales to the Saudis and Emiratis. President Trump himself
echoed this logic when asked about the murder of Mr. Khashoggi,
claiming that the Saudis are spending "$110 billion" on military
groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS."
It gets worse. The Intercept reported that a former lobbyist for the
arms manufacturer Raytheon, which stands to make billions of dollars
from those sales, leads Mr. Pompeo's legislative affairs staff.
The administration defends our engagement in Yemen by overstating
Iranian support for the Houthi rebels. But the fact is that the
relationship between Iran and the Houthis has only strengthened with
the intensification of the war. The war is creating the very problem
the administration claims to want to solve.
The war is also undermining the broader effort against violent
extremists. A
2016 State Department report found that the conflict between Saudi-led
forces and the Houthi insurgents had helped Al Qaeda and the Islamic
State's Yemen branch "deepen their inroads across much of the
country." As the head of the International Rescue Committee, David
Miliband, said in a recent interview, "The winners are the extremist
has the power to declare war.
Above and beyond the catastrophe that this war has created, there is
the fact that American engagement there has not been authorized by
Congress, and is therefore unconstitutional. Article I of the
Constitution clearly states that it is Congress, not the president, that
Over many years, Congress has allowed that power to ebb. That must change.over matters of war.
In February, along with two of my colleagues, Mike Lee, Republican of
Utah, and Chris Murphy, Democrat of Connecticut, I introduced Senate
Joint Resolution 54, calling on the president to withdraw from the
Saudi-led war in Yemen. We did this for two reasons. The first is that
the war is a strategic and moral disaster for the United States. The
second is that the time is long overdue for Congress to reassert authority
greater.
The Senate voted 55 to 44 to delay consideration of the resolution.
Since then, this crisis has only worsened and our complicity become even
unconditional.
Next month, I intend to bring that resolution back to the floor. We
will be adding more co-sponsors, and colleagues in the House have
offered a similar measure. The brutal murder of Mr. Khashoggi demands
that we make clear that United States support for Saudi Arabia is not
I very much hope that Congress will act, that we will finally take
seriously our congressional duty, end our support for the carnage in
Yemen, and send the message that human lives are worth more than
profits for arms manufacturers.
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