No. But I suspect that my upbringing was different than Mostafa's.
Besides, I was still a socialist, just wearing a different disguise in
those long past days(1961-1970).
And, unlike most religious folk, I was not afraid of offending God.
If He weren't big enough to take criticism...unlike Donald Trump or
Mostafa, then that was His problem, not mine.
I'd ramble longer but my lunch is ready for consumption.
Carl Jarvis, looking hungrily at a steaming bowl of home-made bean
soup with ham.
On 4/7/20, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl, when you were a Christian who thought that your faith made you
superior to all others were you hypocritical enough that you called
those who did not agree with you arrogant like Mustafa does?
___
Thomas Paine
“One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
On 4/7/2020 10:42 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Good morning Roger and All Who Embrace Thinking for Oneself.
In my travels through Life, I've run into far more Mostafa's demanding
that I denounce my wrong thinking, and embrace their "Right Ways"...or
suffer the consequences, than I have met people who respect my right
to see the world from my own experiences.
Mostafa is so certain that he is right, and we are all wrong, that he
does not understand that his position makes him exactly the same as
all those he denounces.
Once upon a Time, long ago and far away, I also tried living life as a
rubber stamp, a "Me Too", God fearing Believer. And I tried
converting everyone I met, including my own dad...which did not go
over well at all.
What I learned from those years as a Christian, was that we Christians
believed that our Faith made us superior to all others, and to all
other religions. Oh, we would deny it, but the fact that we refused
to accept that other people's beliefs might be as valid as ours, that
said it all.
My own observation was that for many Believers, Fear entered into the
mix. Fear that our Loving God could become so angry at us that He
would toss us into Hell, to burn eternally, or to exist in
Nothing...take your pick. Despite all sorts of examples...examples
outlined in our very own Bible, we clung to our Belief that God was
Perfect, and we eagerly wished to spend Eternity sitting at His feet,
singing Praises to His Holy Name.
Looking back...and certainly I don't think so now, but at least I
might have believed in a harem of 76 Virgins...or was that 76
Trombones?
But my point is that Mostafa's beliefs are his, and his right to hold
them. But I reject his right to hammer and yammer that my beliefs are
Evil. That sort of thinking is what got this tired old Earth into our
current mess.
Carl Jarvis, sending good thoughts to all who can find room in their
hearts to accept them.
On 4/6/20, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Not only do they insist that we all believe too, but some of them, like
Mustafa, continue to harass any nonbelievers, apparently forever, for
not believing.
___
Thomas Paine
“One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
On 4/6/2020 5:32 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
My grandson, about 4 at the time, was throwing an amazing tantrum when
I came into the living room. "What on Earth's the matter?" I asked
him, scooping him up as his mother tried swatting his little behind.
"I want Yogi Bear", he wailed, kicking me repeatedly on my legs. I
want Yogi Bear!"
My stressed out daughter turned his little face around and growled, "I
told you, Yogi Bear is not on."
"But I saw him. He's there. Just turn him on."
My daughter plucked him off me and said, "There's a man inside the TV
who decides when we can see Yogi Bear, and there's nothing I can do
except wait until he lets Yogi Bear come on."
And that made sense to my grandson. He turned his attention back to
jumping up and down on the recliner.
And so it is with folks who want to believe in God or Allah and a Life
Ever After. They want God or Allah so bad that they throw a little
hussy fit and demand that we all simply have to believe rthat He
exists.
Some of us go about trying to swat their little behinds, but that
never stops them. I think my daughter had the right idea, just tell
them that we have no control over whether He is or is not, but if He
does show up it will be in His own good time. It really shouldn't
make a difference to the rest of us, just so long as they don't start
insisting that we believe how they believe...what's that?...You say
they already have?...Well that's a fine kettle of fish...
Carl Jarvis
On 4/6/20, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm not so sure that I am ready to unambiguously claim that there is
no
evidence for a soul. When materialist and idealist philosophies
dichotomized there were certain words in common use that pretty much
meant the same thing, but the idealists took some and monopolized them
while the materialists kept others. The words that are in question
here
are words like mind, soul, thought, spirit,consciousness and so forth.
The idealists took over the words soul, spirit, ghost and the like. If
we accept them to mean the same thing then the mere fact that we are
conversing by email is pretty good evidence for the soul because it is
the same thing as a consciousness. However, by the very fact that
these
words are being used in an idealist philosophical context the
idealists
assume that they refer to a manifestation of the supernatural. In that
sense, of course, there is no evidence for a soul. And whether you
call
it a soul or a mind or whatever, it is the result of electro-chemical
reactions that occur in our brains and those reactions cease and their
products disperse upon death. You can't get the philosophical
idealists
to admit it, but there are virtually entire libraries of documentation
of evidence of that. If they want to refute all that documented
evidence
they will have to do their own experiments that show different results
and they would have to do a lot of it because there is an enormous
amount of evidence to refute. They don't even try though. They just
keep
making claims about afterlife with nothing to back up their claims at
all and then throw tantrums when you express doubts about their
claims.
___
Thomas Paine
“One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
On 4/6/2020 11:28 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Dear Fellow Earthlings,
We all come from the same long, unbroken chain of genes. Peel back
our skins and we all look the same. While medical science has
learned
much about our composition, there is one piece of our human makeup,
claimed to exist by many, that has never been found to exist. That
is
a Soul. No medical scientist has found a single bit of evidence that
our bodies contain a Soul or a Spirit. There is good reason for this
lack of discovery. Souls and Spirits exist within our human brain.
Once life has left the body, all thoughts, all beliefs, all dreams
and
the entire part of our bodies we call our individual personality, is
no longer to be found. No little dis of imprinted data that can be
played over and over, no records of any sort. Death is death. Death
is Universal, regardless of who we were while alive. The mightiest
and the least of the Least all become the same in death.
Our ability to make a difference occurs while we live. This is when
we make our contributions to future generations, or when our actions
block a brighter future for those coming after us.
What I say here are proven facts. Sure, like some on this list, I
could blow smoke up your nose and whisper sweet promises in your ear,
but none of it would be true, no matter how much we want it to be.
We live today. We make this life as good as we can make it. If we
wait for some Heavenly Paradise, we will simply be wasting our one
golden moment in time.
Until someone gives us tangible proof of a Soul or a Spirit, or of
God
Him/Herself, all our dreams and hopes are just that, hopes and
dreams.
And as an aside, I am personally thankful that there is no Almighty
God. To think of my Free Spirit being forced to sing Praises to Him,
is akin to Donald Trump wanting us to worship his Wonderful Self.
As with Donald Trump, it is God who tells us that He is Wonderful and
Perfect. Like Trump, God relegates those who dare disagree with Him,
to eternal damnation. But like Trump, God insists that He cannot
look
upon imperfection, thus He has created the Perfect Universe, despite
evidence all about us that shows us the many flaws.
So, you can send me the proof in any method you choose, email would
be
quickest, but I'll accept the sudden appearance of an Angel or
perhaps
Jesus or Mohammad. If they let me know in advance, I'll have tea and
cookies ready.
Once again, I know we don't want to face it, but after death we all
are equal, one to another...Heroes and Cowards alike.
Carl Jarvis
On 4/5/20, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is utterly despicable. It is incredible that a human being
could
be
so low as to use a deadly disease, a medical disaster, a human
calamity,
to push ignorance and superstition.
___
Thomas Paine
“One good schoolmaster is of more use than a hundred priests.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
On 4/5/2020 4:28 PM, Darsh Happy wrote:
Dear all, as time goes on, the spread of this howlingly fatally
infectious agent aggravates periodically. Europe and North America
have been substantially impacted with this growingly threatening
disease. In the States alone, there are 300,028 cases and death
rate
reached 8,137. That’s according to world health organisation stats.
Why does this happen? Well, the west in genral has breached major
tenets of ethical conduct. They broadly promoted incredulity and
intently derided spiritism. In addition, they presided oppression
and
commissioned sensualism. Moreover, they okayed empirical knowledge
pride and openly urged for secularism. Heir to British throne and
prime minister, both unfortunately tested positive last week. I am
certainly not spiteful of this inevitable situation. Nonetheless, I
believe it is time for the west to wholly redress its position and
slightly lower its arrogant disposal. Naturally, due to regular
business suspension, economy has been intemperately disadvantaged.
Obviously, material value is the most worth for westerns. This
conception though ought to be utterly rectified. I am not lecturing
you. Concurrently, I frankly criticise western way of viewing this
enormously crucial issue. Sequestering masses at home alone won’t
solve the problem. People therein must fathom, that faith ought to
be
speedily retained. Ridiculing religious adherence hasn’t made the
west
superior. In addition, Donald Trump has absurdly declined to wear
medical mask during press briefing, despite plain Center for
Disease
Control and Prevention recommendation. This whitened chief is
exceptionally deranged. He is mostly concerned about returning to
business than guarding souls. That’s the common disposal of wholly
based capitalistic entities. Thence, despite alleged claims of
unbiased tolerance, these nations continued to fallaciously
propagate
for demonising and unethically dehumanising nearly one third of the
world population. As to Roger, he resembles this atheistic version
of
Trump. He disgracefully advocates for impertinence and impiousness
in
the counterfeit sign of pseudoscience. He supposedly relates to
science but continues to seal his threads with explicitly anti
religious quotes, brought by notorious Atheists of his nation.
Other
than discourteously deriding religious based tenets, he is merely
competent at Atheistic fanaticism. Now, I would like to ask
westerns
and Atheists in particular, what does irreverence usher to us
during
this mass pandemic? Is it pert to be impious? What am I going to
benefit enacting incredulously? When asked about this, Atheists
typically seek refuge with divergence. They thence commence
assaulting your belief to evade coping with your demand. Roger is
excellent at roasting spiritual devotion. Nonetheless, he seemingly
doesn’t have valuable clue, whether evolution stands for genuine
scientific development or merely philosophical based notion that
abuses biological terms foressentially deluding aims. I destined
to
enquire though, is morality clearly defined within Atheism? As long
as
there is insistence to exhibit racial pride and disparity, I will
continue though to stridently reappear with various and endless
accounts, despite attempts to block or report me until Americans
and
westerns in general utterly dispose of this unjustified pride and
capitulate to sternly equitable terms. Empirical science won’t
solve
this prob unless it’s properly incorporated with humility and
excellence aggregated. Well, thanks for carefully reading, Darsh
Happy.
