Is there such a thing as a Trump free zone? If I believed there was such a
thing and I lived in one I would write in SWP.
Frank
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I agree with all of this. And in fact if I lived in a Trump free safe zone I
would likely cast a Green Party protest vote.
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From: Alice Dampman Humel<mailto:alicedh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 10:43 AM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Very Hard Sell
But Bernie's attempt to start a political revolution, to start a movement
happened a long time ago, and there were no immediate or even long-term dire
consequences at stake. And his attempt has made a yuge difference, to take his
version of the word. I think that difference has forced Hillary to change some
of her positions, to indeed move, if almost imperceptibly, to the left on at
least some issues. He and his supporters aren't going away, and maybe the DNC
could marginalize them, all but make them invisible, but that's just
showmanship in a controlled atmosphere and arena.
Voting for the Green Party in this election, at this late date in the game,
will as you say, make a point, send a message of rejection of the status quo,
but, as you have also said, only if everybody who shares that dissatisfaction
with and rejection of the status quo. But that isn't going to happen for
several reasons. You've mentioned one of them, the swing states, the states in
which, without a clear victory for Hillary and the Dems, there is the very real
and present danger that Trump could win. So the Green Party movement has
already lost many voices in the protest. Then, there are, I guess you could
call them the pragmatists, who are going to go the lesser of two evils route.
Then there are the "just to be on the safe side" voters, who, I suppose could
be included in the pragmatists.
Anyway, at this late stage and so close to the moment of decision that will
result in a real situation, I really think the vote the green party strategy is
pretty meaningless, bordering on dangerous.
Of course, putting Hillary in the white house is dangerous, too, we agree about
that.
I suppose there is the extremely slim hope that her shift to the left will
increase, that she will listen to the progressives, but it is a slim hope.
She's not a stupid person, both the good and the bad news.
And, I am afraid that the general reaction to the protest registered by a few
thousand green party votes will basically be "so what?" They'll pat those votes
and the voters who cast them on the head and say, aren't they cute, just as
they did, far too successfully, sadly, with Bernie and the movement he set in
motion.
On Jul 30, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Miriam Vieni
<miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Joe, that's true. Only the deluded could imagine a Green Party Presidential
win. That was also true in the case of Bernie Sanders, at least at the
beginning of his campaign. He said that he was building a movement to change
the Democratic Party. He said that this campaign wasn't about him. It was
about building a revolution. Supporting the Green Party fulfills the same
function. The point is to build a movement. Some people believe that a
movement can be built that will take over the Democratic party. Some people
believe that there's too much money and power entrenched in the Democratic
Party and a movement needs an alternative party. But this year, those of us
who are supporting the Green party are doing so because it is morally
repugnant to vote for Hillaary who represents everything about our current
government that we abhor. It's an ethical choice. But from my point of view,
one can only make that choice in states that have an electoral college setup
that ensures that Trump won't win, regardless of what we do. From everything
I've read and heard, there are 6 swing states. Michigan, Ohio, and
Pennsylvania are three of them. I haven't looked up the other three although
I heard them mentioned. I just can't remember. Those of us who are talking
about voting Green, are doing so because the status quo is unacceptable to
us. Obviously, if you don't feel that way, voting Green isn't a reasonable
choice for you.
Miriam
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In addition I think the Green Party is only on the ballot in 37 states.
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 3:20 PM
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Because voting for the green party will accomplish nothing at this
point. Sending a message is not good enough in the face of the possibility
of that lunatic narcissist child being in the White House.
And remember, this is sort of what I have said all along about both
Nader and Sanders: if everybody who said, oh, I really like him, but I won't
vote for him, because he doesn't have a chance, had indeed voted for him, we
may be sitting in a very different place now.
But, IMO, this time, that ship has sailed.
Some Bernie supporters have indeed decamped, either to not vote at
all or to the Green or Libertarian candidate. Trump is trying to lure some
of them over to himself, although I've never, ever understood the notion of
the supposed similarities between Trump and Sanders.
So voting for the Green Party is, IMO, a dangerous game at this
point.
Alice
On Jul 29, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Miriam Vieni
<miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Why not vote for the Green Party? At least it stands for
what you believe
and if enough people do that, the Democratic party will,
maybe, begin to get
a message about what people really want. If not, then all
the Progressive
Democrats should move their enthusiasm and energy to the
Green Party.
Actually, many Bernie supporters already have.
Miriam
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Kevin LaRoseI've waffled back and forth several times over
the past few
weeks about whether or not I'll bite the bullet already and
vote for
Hillary. I will probably waffle several times more before
Election Day.
Here's what it comes down to for me: Hillary has three
months to show me why
voting for her won't initiate a gag reflex. She's not off to
a bang-up
start. It would be the hardest thing in the world for me to
cast a vote
simply out of fear. But not voting at all isn't an option
either. Hillary
can say all the nice things she wants, but actions speak
louder than words,
and I don't think I'm going to like where she takes the
nation as a whole.
Of course, Trump will take us to even darker places, so
there's that to
consider. What's bugging me right now is I'm afraid the
Democrats are now
going to try to disappear Bernie and the revolution he
started down the
memory hole and pretend it never happened. I'm not sure I
can endorse that
with my vote. I'm going to be a hard sell, Hillary, but give
it your best
shot anyway.
Anderson, IN
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