If he is impeached and removed from office I suppose that would prevent him
from running again although I don't know of any provision in the constitution
that would prohibit it. But would the exposure of all of his crimes prevent him
being elected again? Well, did any of us really think that he was going to be
elected in the first place?
---
Carl Sagan
“ The truth may be puzzling. It may take some work to grapple with. It may be
counterintuitive. It may contradict deeply held prejudices. It may not be
consonant with what we desperately want to be true. But our preferences do not
determine what's true. ”
― Carl Sagan
On 3/5/2019 9:15 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Mustafa, There are a lot of unknowns here. There are a lot of people trying to
find a way to prevent Trump from running again. Attorneys find all kinds of
laws and procedures to accomplish what they want and there are many different
ways of interpreting existing laws. Furthermore, one can't always predictd how
the public will react to new revelations about what people in government do.
We do have an example, back in the 1970's, of Richard Nixon being investigated
for crimes against the people, and he resigned. I'm not sure that Trump would
willingly resign, but one never knows.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump's last speech, unbelievable
Miriam, you seem to be experienced in American politics. What you said below
makes perfect sense. But, if the report came out indicting Trump gaining
illicitly out of his presidency, will that lower his chance to win in 2020?
Furthermore, constitutionally, could mr Trump be opted out of next presidential
race based on his criminal record?
On 3/4/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mustafa,
I'm having difficulty imagining that Trump, as a sitting president,
will be indicted by whatever is in Mueller's report. I predict that
the report is all about Trump's financial crimes and most of those
were known about before he took office. I don't think that there's any
proof that he committed treason by colluding with Russia. All of that
is just Democratic Party propaganda. Theoretically, he could be
impeached for profiting financially from the presidency. But that
won't happen because the majority of Republicans in the Senate won't
agree to that. Most of what is being done is to try to convince
Republicans that Trump is so dishonest and untrustworthy, that they
shouldn't vote for him in 2020. But his base is loyal to him. So far,
none of his abhorrent behavior or craziness has conviced them to
abandon him so I doubt that Mueller can come up with anything that
will. And I'm not sure that William Barr who is now head of the
Department of Justice, will even make the report public. I know that
everyone is expecting some kind of big bombshell in the report. The
fact is that there has been obvious evidence of Trump's mental
incompetence and criminal tendencies all along, but no one has been brave
enough or found the means to remove him from office.
Miriam
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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 9:54 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump's last speech, unbelievable
Well Miriam, your analyses are critical. I must admit, I'm convinced
of what you say. I may put it like this, Trump's policies have opened
Sewage to the public. Naturally, what lives in there gets out. Well,
we knew what lives in there eh? The question now Miriam, what if the
special council's report came out formally indicting Trump of
committing perfidy? What is the legal situation then? And, if he is
demanded to resign but he declines, what is the subsequent legal procedure?
On 3/4/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mustafa,
That's true. But every candidate for national office, and most other
offices, also obtain their office with the use of money. Our Supreme
Court verified this practise in 2010 with a landmark decision. But it
has been the practise in the US to use money in a variety of ways to
secure the election of candidates. Of course, Mr. Trump is an
especially terrible president and his words and acts have made things
here much worse than they already were.
But it is dishonest for journalists to pretend that all of the
terrible things that are happening here are new and that they just
began when Trump took office. His terrible presidency is a result of
trends that have been occurring here for decades, for centuries. What
bothers the journalists and many of the office holders and the people
who work in our security industry and the military, is that Trump is
so open about using power against other nations, about racism, about
unbridled capitalism. Smarter, more experienced politicians are
subtler. They hide much of what is done with fine speeches and a
pretense at good intentions. Mr. Obama talked about Democracy and
respect for the Muslim world while, each Tuesday, he presided over a
meeting of officials who decided which people would be killed with
drone assasinations that week. But Mr. Obama was not insane. He was
intelligent, charming, and self interested. And he didn't want to
become a permanent dictator as Trum would like to be.
Miriam
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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 3:15 AM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Trump's last speech, unbelievable
Miriam, I totally understand what you are saying. But, let us be
fairly factual, Trump bought everything with his money and with his
charisma to methodologically stultify people. Many people are not so
educated in your country and he certainly has taken advantage of that.
On 3/4/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mustafa,
This deserves a response, except there's just too much to respond to.
The reason that what you hear from the US mainstream media right now
is so focused on Trump's utterances and trivial observations
regarding what is happening in the world, is that most people in the
US are as outraged by what Mr. Trump says and how he behaves, as you
are. He doesn't represent the majority of Americans, nor the
majority of white people, nor the majority of white Protestant people.
However, there are enough people who think like he does, to have
given him a majority of votes in the electoral college. That isn't a
majority of the popular vote. There is something wrong with his
mental processes which is why he talks as he does. And it is why he
is so easily manipulated by the members of the US surveillance,
military, and security establishment. The fact is that most of our
presidents have given in, to some extent, to what the Military and
the CIA want them to do.
Trump is, according to all the psychiatrists and psychologists
who've written about him, a "malignant marcassist so he really
believes that his needs are most important and he'll do whatever he
thinks will show his power and importance. He is a tool of the
wealthiest and most corrupt elements in this country.
Miriam
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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 8:38 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Trump's last speech, unbelievable
After he was bore witness against by his ex special attorney at a
publicised congressional hearing, Trump callously assaults his
opponents in Maryland speech. Trump has launched a furious assault
on Special Counsel Robert Mueller and on his critics at a
conservative summit. In the longest and yet the most disdainful
speech of his unendowed presidency, Mr Trump railed against the
inquiry into alleged collusion between his campaign and Russia.
"We're waiting for a report by people who weren't elected," he told
a crowd of cheering conservatives. Mr Mueller is expected to hand in
his report to the attorney general shortly. "Unfortunately, you put
the wrong people in a couple of positions and they leave people for
a long time that shouldn't be there and all of a sudden they are
trying to take you out with bullshit, okay?" the president said. The
speech
- clocking in at more than two hours - also included sharp attacks
on former Attorney General Jeff Sessions, former FBI head James
Comey, the Democratic Party and those critical of his approach to North Korea.
Whom did the president attack? Speaking at the Conservative
Political Action Conference in Maryland, Mr Trump lashed out at his
detractors in a wide-ranging speech.
"This is how I got elected, by being off script. And if we don't go
off script, our country is in big trouble, folks," he began. The
president repeatedly said that Mr Mueller had "never received a
vote", nor had Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed
Mr Mueller to his position.
The president alleged Mr Mueller was "best friends" with former FBI
head James Comey, and mocked the accent of former attorney general
Mr Sessions, whom he fired in November. The president's attacks
ranged widely. He called the Green New Deal proposal - pitched by
some Democrats as a radical bid to combat climate change - "the
craziest plan", saying "when the wind stops blowing, that's the end
of your electric". After a series of deadly ardent remarks on
immigrants who, he said, must "love our country", Mr Trump said,
"\We have people in Congress that hate our country." "And you know
that, and we can name every one of them if you want," he said. In
short, Trump's last speech resembled Racism, Xenophobia,
Belligerence and unjustified Pride in their unbearably highest peak.
As I said many times before, Trump isn't himself the prob. The ones
who cursedly spat and wholeheartedly cheer to his implausibly
despicable remarks are to be utterly extinguished.
Conservative white supremacists are his mainly pro protagonists.
These people are enormously imperious. Those are the ones who
damnably brought that hellion to oval office in Washington D.C.. I
have problem with those who enthusiastically applaud to his
intemperately intolerable remarks. They love him so much because he
says and does what they like. Honestly, I just couldn't put up with
this plain impudence. They never spat and cheer but to something
that is dreadfully racialist, xenophobic or generically absonant.
How are those supposedly coming from the leading nation of
democratic and multicultural descent? This alleged statement has to be
redressed.
This demonic provoker is relentlessly besieged with idiots. And as
to his language, he speaks the language of American public, which is
relevantly colloquial but also, well, just quite crude and
disgraceful. They surely like him speaking as they do, always rude,
awless and radically vicious. How is this the manner of what is
suppose to be the leading entity of the democratic world? I'm
substantially incensed at the west for bearing to be led and blindly
pulled toward any direction that is to serve American interest.
It's if as they're attached to them with magnetic impact. Donald
Trump isn't the problem at all. The ones who volitionally brought
him to us are. They indicate approval of everything he says and
does. So, they concur with his racialist and immensely xenophobic
disposal. They approvedly cheer Islamophobia, insolence and
deliberately escalated religious secernment.
Trump allegedly says about himself and on behalf of his supporters,
"We believe in religious liberty". Could he dare to allow Muslims to
speak freely on his podium? I challenge him to do so. Trump's
platform is full of hate rhetoric, religious discrimination and
xenophobic tendency. He unprovably associates crime with immigrants,
discriminatively referring to them as, "illegal aliens". This man is
insane. This is someone who doesn't respect anyone. He doesn't one
to share the nation's leadership. This is someone who perennially
displaces those who were so loyal to him yesterday.
This is someone who shamelessly mocks accents of people.
What an awful guy. The term incompetent is absolutely the slightest
to describe him. I'm not going to tolerate the Trump like
temperament brought by anyone therein. White Protestants have to
recognise something, the game is wholly exposed. Seriously, the game
is wholly exposed and they won't ever be able to get Islam out of our hearts.
Whether they use Religious cover or the lack of to subdue us, we
remain stiffly defiant in the face of impervious imperialism and
cultural manipulation. If they are willing to communicate
respectfully, they are welcome. Otherwise, just go to hell. I will
continue to be fiercer on coercively imposed American conservative
union. Pass this on to people who're standing alongside this approach.
It is time to break silence and speak frankly. I'm not willing to be
submissive to this sort of de facto situation. The United States has
to choose between Trump's intolerable belligerence and be
flawlessly ostracised, or, to dispose him and reconnect to the
world. They are going to determine their ultimate destiny in the
next election. You may constantly recall this, the world isn't at
your possession. Just remember this last sentence properly.
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(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is
a shoreless ocean.)
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(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a
shoreless ocean.)
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(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a
shoreless ocean.)
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(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a shoreless
ocean.)
