Bob writes: "As I stated earlier, the problem has really nothing to do
with scientific substantiation or rational scrutiny. It really
has much to do with the tremendous conceit which dominates Atheist's
way of thinking."
Bob,
I believe that you have just defined "Closed Mind" for us.
You are simply setting up Straw Men and inviting us to whale away at
them. Of course you must know that Agnostics are as different, one
from another, than are Muslims, or Jews, or Germans, or
Martians...just because they are all little green men does not mean
that they're the same.
I chuckle at you clambering up onto your soap box and in your
"intrinsically superior" manner, declaring Roger and myself to be
"intrinsically superior". And by the way, I do believe that Roger is
an Atheist, and I am the Agnostic...just to be factual.
Anyway, I'll keep this short, so as to allow you to get on with your
trip through the narrow tunnel of Life that you have allowed yourself
to be confined to.
You, Mostafa, are a slave, and I actually feel sorry for you because
you are the most pitiable of all slaves. Your Master is some
invisible make believe force that has your mind in a vice grip, afraid
of even allowing reason to enter, less you end up in some eternal
Hell. I was once there, too, believing that if I dared to disagree
with God, He, in His eternal Love, would crush me like an ant under
foot. But I'm sure you don't think of yourself as being afraid to use
your mind. You are feeling superior to me because your Master has
told you to believe that is the truth. Talk about circular thinking!
Finally, back to the questions. What if you do ring the bell on my
door and you can hear it ring, but you have no language to express the
fact that you can hear it? And then how do you communicate this
information to your deaf friend? Who did "invent" language? Who
decided what words Allah really said...or God? Who was there when He
created the heavens and the earth? Who can attest to those facts?
Allah? God? Satan? or maybe some manipulating fellow made it all up
so he could control those people around him? And it's still working
pretty well today.
Carl Jarvis PS. I am nothing like you imagine, from reading these
emails. These words are just that, words. As are you and your words.
Let's cut the crap and admit that we are brothers under the same
imperfect Sun, in the same imperfect Universe.
Carl
On 9/6/17, Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
To both of you again, you aren't able to recognise facts as they are.
Despite what argument you adhere, your egocentrism won't ever be dissolved.
Carl, it is factual that Allah created def people. How do we communicate
with them? Well, we simply use sign language. So, speech isn't the only
manner by which people communicate. But, if sound wasn't created, would
there still be silence? As for mister Roger, you are getting us into a
vicious cycle. If we kept asking, who created the creator and who created
the one that created the creator, our crisis will basically exasperate. We
won't ever come to a logical conclusion if we think that way. As I stated
earlier, the problem has really nothing to do with scientific substantiation
or rational scrutiny. It really has much to do with the tremendous conceit
which dominates Atheist's way of thinking. They simply perceive they are
intrinsically superior to submit to a supreme authority. Their imperious
temperament prevents them from devoting to humility. They unfortunately are
influenced with insufferably overbearing pride. The problem complicates
when we base our notion on mere intuition. The phenomenon of disbelief
dominates western culture because it bases its major factors on corporal
principles. I have an idea, if someone is interested to properly ponder, I
urge you to try the following experiment. I want you to carefully look for
something around you which hasn't been made by a maker. If we accept, that
each and every element in this world has been made, we logically must take
on the following conclusion. What is bigger has to rationally be made. This
universe is perfectly rarified, it is thoroughly organised. Each and every
constituent is committed to do its precise job without any disruption. Have
you ever saw the moon missing one of its phases? Has any of the celestial
bodies intercepted with its counterpart? They float in concert across the
space, they operate in perfect harmony. Could this be merely spontaneous?
Who taught these objects to be harmonious as such? As for the tree which
falls in the desert, would it still make a sound even though there is no
someone to hear it? If I came to your home while no one was there and kept
stroking the button of the bell, would it still produce a sound? Would it
still ring? It surely would unless you have a technical trouble such
electricity cut or simply the device of the bell is just spifflicated, it
doesn't work. Similarly, if I came to your home and no one was there and
kept knocking the door, would it make a sound? If a massive rock collided
with the door of an empty place, would that collision produce any noise? If
someone called your phone while no one was in the house, would it still
ring? Of course it would. This is why people tend to check their answering
machines as soon as they get home. Please, do not attempt to wickedly
deceive us and, respect our intellectual competency. This is how Godlessness
is intemperately fallacious and preposterous. I urge people to be more
consistent in the thoughts they attempt to develop. I welcome any further
discussion. Simultaneously, I despise and dispose any rhetoric of contempt,
derision or sarcasm. Cordially, Bob
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