Name calling and insult throwing is not an example of poor English
skills. It is just hostility and tantrum throwing. I bested Mostafa in a
debate in logic. He has been throwing a tantrum ever since.
---
Voltaire
“ Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. ”
― Voltaire,
On 7/21/2019 9:18 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
There may be several factors involved in the faulty communication between Roger
and Mustafa. One of them is Mustafa's limitations in expressing himself in
English. He may be sounding more emphatic than he means to because he doesn't
know the idioms and nuances of the English language. Roger may not always truly
comprehend what Mustafa is attempting to say. Another problem is that they come
from totally different cultural backgrounds. They don't start from the same
assumptions. That fact certainly impedes positive communication. A third factor
may be that each is emotionally invested in his point of view. When they become
involved in verbal confrontations, each feels that his manhood or his is
involved. And there's one more thing. Roger apparently believes that it is his
duty to educate everyone or, to put it another way, to convince everyone to
think as he does. Mustafa may have the same compulsion. I don't enjoy battles
so I don't read their email debates. I just delete them. I remember one night
when Joe and Frank were engaged in a terrible email fight. That was an awful
experience and it was the last time I ever read battling emails.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted
sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 8:41 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: This sounds like Mostafa.
By all means, any of us can have a gap in our education. That was a point I was
making in my other message about whether there is such a thing as a stupid
question. If it is an honest question asked in an attempt to learn it is not a
stupid question. Sometimes it can be a bit frustrating when you realize that in
order to answer it in a way that the questioner will understand you will have
to start educating that person from an elementary school level and I, for one,
cannot do that.
However, if it is an honest question asked with the intention of learning I can
try to do my best to answer. However, an honest attempt to learn is not what
Mostafa is doing with his ignorant questions and pronouncements. He proudly
shows his ignorance in order to discredit entire branches of science. He shows
his ignorance in order to discredit me. At least that is what he is trying to
do. But he manages to actually ask questions that have to be called stupid
questions. They are stupid because when he gets an answer he refuses to accept
it. He just keeps repeating the ignorance that he has been caught up in. That
is a refusal to learn. It is just a hostile act. And what he discredits more
than anything is himself.
---
Voltaire
??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
???
??? Voltaire,
On 7/21/2019 1:02 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
It's frustrating. But I would point out that any of us can have a gap
in our education, or a lack of ability to grasp information that is
well understood by other people.
The value of an opinion based list, such as this one should be, that
we can expose our lack of education and receive positive guidance
without feeling threatened or put down. But that calls for an open
mind on our part, and understanding people who give their information
and opinions in a helpful and caring manner.
Carl Jarvis...who has learned a great deal through interaction on this list.
On 7/20/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I just had to tell you guys about this. This sounds exactly like
something Mostafa would say. There is a Facebook discussion group on
the subject of science that I subscribe to. It is open to all, but I
would expect that people who would subscribe would have some interest
in science and so would have some kind of knowledge of science even
if only rudimentary. Apparently that is not the case. Someone just
showed up and said that we all know that combustion requires the
presence of oxygen, so is there oxygen in the sun to make combustion
take place there? Some others started to give answers explaining that
chemical combustion takes place in the presence of oxygen, but that
what is happening in the sun is nuclear fusion. Personally, it seems
to me that if a person could seriously ask that question then it is
unlikely that he would understand such answers. I would not be
surprised if he did not even know what nuclear fusion is. I did not
even bother to try to answer him. With someone like that the only way
to give a good answer would be to go back to elementary science class
and teach him that and to continue to teach him until he finally
reached a point that he could understand. This is exactly how I feel
when Mostafa asks questions like, if we descended from monkeys then
why are there still monkeys? How can you give a meaningful answer to
someone that ignorant? It is exasperating. It is also similar to
another one I saw once. I don't know if this was supposed to be a
joke, but if it wasn't it is about just as exasperating. Someone from
Nigeria once asked, if the Earth really rotates then why am I still in Nigeria?
--
---
Voltaire
??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities. ???
??? Voltaire,
