Without argueing at all, you just need to die, just wait till death.
On 3/30/18, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re: [blind-democracy] The west, religious belief and temporal dementia
Mostafa, we have gone through this arrogance subject before. I recall
that I said that I do not know the ultimate reason that the universe
exists and you
insist that you have all the answers about such things. Furthermore, you
claim to have all the answers without the slightest shred of evidence to
back
up your claims. Yet, you have the nerve to call me arrogant. Well, if I
am in any way arrogant then that arrogance will certainly cease with my
demise,
but yours will too. And with you the cessation of arrogance will be much
greater because you are many times more arrogant. Just as an example, I
would
never make a mailing list of people without their consent and persist in
sending them unwanted emails despite their asking and begging to be
removed. To
do something like that takes an incredible amount of arrogance. So,
before you start accusing other people of arrogance you would do well to
take a look
at yourself.
On 3/29/2018 11:44 PM, Bob Evans wrote:
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Your arrogance will decease
when you ultimately, perish.
On 3/30/18, Roger Loran Bailey
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There is no point in making up anything about shariah. In just this
email alone you have taught us enough about it that it is clear that it
should be forever avoided.
On 3/29/2018 11:21 PM, Bob wrote:
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For someone who doesn't live in the west, he won't properly fathom how
life is settled there. If you reside in the heart of America, as they
say, you must work hard to make money. Otherwise, you won't have
enough to fulfill major financial liabilities as of rent and bills.
There is no room for religion in your life. Gay and straight, married
and dating, religious and secular, life is quite boisterous for
everyone. Praying five times a day is inconvenient, a friend of mine
who lives in Austin Texas just told me so the other day. Spiritual
life is inauspicious in the west. People barely go to Church on
Sunday. Consequently, morals are negatively affected. John and Alice
aren't married, simply because, it just doesn't make financial sense.
Dan and Mark are living together as partners because it is legal for
them in California to do so. Where is religion in Denver? It is
heavily stranded, hardly noticed. This is why, Monica and Barbra are
somewhat espoused. Thus far, finding a religion which doesn't demand
social responsibility and it's emotionally prettifying is necessarily
ineluctable. You won't find a religion that is easier and more
appropriate to western social lifestyle than Christianity. I do not
intend to bait someone saying so. But seriously, Christianity is the
proper religion for someone who lives in the west, as long as he
doesn't care about religious devotion. Few people who live up to
genuine religious consideration as Christians in the west. If you live
in the west as Christian and committed illicit wedlock as of living
with a girlfriend and so on, it is fine, there are no legal
consequences. But in Islam, Shariah punishes for this, because it
cares about social cleansing. Both men and women are equally held
accountable of this. Please, do not make up false and prejudicious
notions about Shariah jural principles, because I'll basically dispose
your thread. You'd better ask me, if you really want to learn. Perhaps
this is why, Shariah is constantly assaulted in western media? Here,
people make money to live. There, they live to make money. Material
life has deeply poured in western lifestyle. I believe it is because
of total absence of what I like to call, critical religious
responsibility. I am now thirty two years old. Throughout my life and
because I wasn't married, I never had sex. Concurrently, I justly
admit my shameful involvement in flirtatious acts online during some
part of my life, but I never dared breaking the boundaries. I
unfortunately, crossed the boundaries at some point, but I gratefully,
never broke them. Dishonourably, I encountered with some women during
my online courtship. Of course, that was perfectly sinful and
unacceptable in my religious views, I knew that. I am also someone who
is adequate to lead the prayer, I am an Imam on occasions. This is why
at some point, I sternly scolded myself for these misdeeds. I then
said to myself, you mmust instantly cut off the vicious head of this
beguiling serpent. I then sincerely, rued to Allah glory be to Him. I
fasted and intensely exercised on regular basis. I have been so
comfortable with myself ever since. After a while, I fortuitously met
with my better half whom I inshAllah, will blessedly marry on April
the seventh. As I am sitting now, flashing back my past experience, I
am asking myself, hmm, what was wrong at that time? After deep ponder,
I consistently drew the following conclusions. There is no genuine
religious devotion without being utterly committed, fully accountable
of social and legal obligations. You must be critical of online
communication with women. It is devil incarnate. Do not spend much
time online on your own, get out and socialise. Have bound affiliation
with a righteous community which you could seek refuge with in times
of despair or spiritual absence. There are many women in the west who
would dare having adult conversation, a one you probably wouldn't dare
having with your local male friends. Going to the gym or any sports
club is quite necessary, not just for your helth but religion too. I
quietly ask religion deniers in the west, why do you fear religion? Is
it because it somewhat restricts what you inaccurately call freedom?
If a girl here doesn't wear Hijab, a young man is dating a girl with
no official declaration etc, do you know what we consider them? Just
west apers. I firmly determined, it is useful to take technology,
secular sciences and foreign languages from the west. But as for
social tradition and demeanour, it must be critically censored and
mostly banned from pouring into our societies. I wrote what's above
with full recognition and responsibility. I hope someone would benefit
from my experience. This is why, I am stiffly resolute and cocksure
with my faith. I love it and I am totally convinced of it. When I
genuinely committed myself to its Orthodox tenets, my life has
significantly been improved. The sensible indeed, is the one who
substantially learns from past experience, even though it was unpleasant.
Thank you for reading
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To:
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Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:34 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Christendom and the Muslim world and
the latest about Donald Trump
I read an article in the March 26 issue of The New Yorker yesterday,
about two new books about the history of Judaism. It contained many
details. But the only think that I took away from that article is that
the actual history of Judaism, is not contained in the Bible or the
Torah which were created to teach lessons and present a way of living.
The actual history of Judaism is history, based on factual evidence,
not imagination or creativity.
Miriam
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On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 2:02 PM
To:
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Christendom and the Muslim world and
the latest about Donald Trump
Bob, of course I respect each person's belief, on this list.
And I am secure in my own belief, to the point that anyone ridiculing
me, has no impact whatsoever.
Speaking from my vantage point as an Agnostic, I can't understand the
need to have Jesus, the Son of God, born by a Virgin. In my lifetime
I've known many loving, caring, compassionate people who were born
"out of wedlock". Certainly they had no say in the matter. But for
generations, just because we listened to some old men's stories, we
were taught to believe that such people were inferior. So along comes
an extremely bright, thoughtful, loving man named Jesus. Rumors have
it that his father, Joseph, really isn't his father at all. Other
stories tell that Joseph lay with Mary prior to marrying her, and so
he was covering with this tale of an immaculate conception. And still
others said that Mary became pregnant outside of wedlock, and rather
than see her stoned to death, Joseph married her in order to save both
her and her unborn child. But the fact is that none of it matters at
all. Who cares how Jesus came to be. What matters are his teachings.
He spoke a great deal about the need to rid ourselves of our base
nature. By being direct, Jesus became an irritant, a thorn in the side
of the Roman government. So they murdered him, believing this would
be the end of the matter. As usual, violence did not solve anything.
But rather than learn from the behavior, we place Jesus on a pedestal
and worship him as the son of God. My reading, for what it's worth,
causes me to believe that Jesus saw all of us as children of God, and
in that, he was no different.
Carl Jarvis
On 3/29/18, Bob
<ebob824@xxxxxxxxx>
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There are many Christians who discreditably exhibit terrible qualities
to the prophet peace and blessings be upon him. They purposefully
asperse his noble character with the wickedest of characteristics.
They don't do that based on their unconsciousness and unawareness, no
no, absolutely not at all. They rather are filled with tremendous
antipathy to prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him, his
decree and biography. I really would love them to explain to me in the
clearest of terms, the reasons by which they espoused to
disrespectfully maltreat the prophetic character in such a
contemptuous manner. I don't have a problem with people disbelieving
in the
prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. I noted many people who
decline his prophethood and I never felt offended. What I consider
quite disdainful
is their manner of deliberately attempting to demean his estimable
character, peace and blessings be upon him. This manner of intended
maltreatment is repetitious and it usually aims at offending us. For
more than once, they viciously drew disgraceful portraits of the
prophet peace and blessings be upon him, while aiming to spark a
massive outrage from Muslim masses. They recognise that such practices
are sufficient to instantly provoke our offence and thus, they do
that to get us offended.
This hateful practice doesn't have anything to do with freedom of
speech, it
surely doesn't. It is a unilateral policy and it doesn't extend to the
Jews,
for instance. It is known worldwide that the Jews are the top
proprietors of
major business enterprise in the United States. The country's
prominent population is Christian but the wealthy is frequently the
Jew and consequently, the Christian is expected to flatter the Jew.
The belief that
Jews are held accountable for crucifying Jesus is less taught among
Christian fellow Americans and the reason is clear. They want to save
their
temporal interests, economically, the Jew is the primary provider and
therefore, we must be decent and treat them respectfully. I noticed
lots of
Christians in the United States refusing to say that the Jews were
responsible for Christ's Crucifixion despite the formerly solid
belief. In Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ, the Jews were portrayed
as cruel and the
toughest of people and particularly, in the Crucifixion's scene.
Consequently, the film producer earned a grave amount of criticism,
labelled
with antisemitism at least. I quite comprehend the whole scenario. It
has nothing to do with the so-called freedom of expression. I
previously asked
this question and all of you fled from answering. Well, I'll ask it
again, perhaps some of you may decide to be honest and brave this
time. The Holocaust is a strictly prohibited subject from public
scrutiny and criticism. Well, what about if an artist decided to
ridicule the Holocaust or its sacred chronicle? Would he be tolerated
or, will he emphatically be subjected to tremendous pressure to back
off? I am a little bit skeptic concerning the freedom of speech
controversy. I should point out though that
the Talmudic literature contains the worst transcription about Jesus
and his
mother. The Talmudic literature says that Jesus is procreated from
illegitimate relationship and thus, his mother is described as an
adulterous. However, the Noble Koran is the only sacred text on earth
that undoubtedly exculpated Mary's celibacy. This textbook which freed
Mary from
the shame of guilt has numerously been subjected to veritably
inappropriate
desecration by those who supposedly consider themselves Christ's
followers.
Wow, bravo. The textbook which explicitly preserves Mary's innocence
and thus Christ purity, is deliberately profaned while the Talmud or
the ancient rabbinical writings are basically exempted despite the
disgrace they
associate to Jesus and his mother due to political considerations.
That's hypocritical in the slightest. So the Christian fears the Jew
because of his
eminent authority politically and economically. The Koran was burnt by
a Christian despite its explicit deference and distinctive reverence,
speaking
of
Jesus and his mother. Southern evangelists are conspicuously
notorious of provoking blasphemy about Islam and its prophet, peace
and blessings be upon him. Nevertheless, Scottish Author and
Historian, Thomas Carlyle spoke the truth about prophet Muhammad and
his remarkable legacy. He
said and I quote:
"It is a great shame for any one to listen to the accusation that
Islam is a
lie and that Muhammad was a fabricator and a deceiver. We saw that he
remained steadfast upon his principles, with firm determination; kind
and generous, compassionate, pious, virtuous, with real manhood,
hardworking and
sincere.
Besides all these qualities, he was lenient with others, tolerant,
kind, cheerful and praiseworthy and perhaps he would joke and tease
his companions.
He was just, truthful, smart, pure, magnanimous and present-minded;
his face
was radiant as if he had lights within him to illuminate the darkest
of nights; he was a great man by nature who was not educated in a
school nor nurtured by a teacher as he was not in need of any of
this". However, the battle is expected to heighten. The Christian
abnegation of Islam has nothing to do with theological evidence or the
lack of. They constantly seek refuge with practicing deceit. They rely
on deluding lay individuals of majorly hapless
nations. This is why, you will find Christian missionaries active in
countries like Rwanda, Uganda, Cambodia, Peru, Haiti and Philippines.
Furthermore, they work very well in Syrian refugee camps on Turkish
borders
and beyond. As they do not have theological logic to convince
educated people, they prefer to work under the cover. They sell
religion with terrestrial provision. They like to sound peaceful,
innocent and harmless.
They instead, like to counterfeitly accuse us of terror and violence.
They couldn't live without acting the victim role. A barrage of
revelations and court gambits over the last fourty eight hours has
left President Donald Trump and his shrinking legal team fighting an
escalating battle. His protagonists are witnessing a dreadful time.
Some people attempt to fallaciously misportray me as infelicitous and
scattered. Well, I am stiffly
resolute and cocksure. My wedding is scheduled on April the seventh.
It doesn't mean I am baiting Jason of Baltimore I am unsatiated.
Americanism is
intemperately infructuous. It is nearly the weekend here. I am having
breakfast tomorrow morning with one of my best friends. I am then
going to Friday service. I then will go visit my bride-to-be at her
home. It'll be a
lot of fun. Well, fun in Muslim way not western one. So I am not happy
eh? I
live the best moments of my life nowadays. But, I still wouldn't
refrain from baiting those who justly deserved to be baited. As I
count down for my
big day, I must insure Christendom is castaway.
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