I see that we have another message full of insults and threats that do
not address my point. Okay, Mostafa, let's look at the facts. I am
talking about the facts that you observed and I observed and the entire
Blind Democracy list observed. The fact is that you used as your major
argument for theism the watchmaker fallacy. The fact is that I explained
in meticulous detail why it is a fallacy. I explained how it is the
logical fallacy of circular logic. If you really did not understand what
I said I will explain it to you again. I happen to be of the opinion
that nothing I say is infallible. You do not have that opinion of your
own pronouncements and that shows your incredible hypocrisy when you
call me arrogant. However, if there is something I say that is wrong I
have to be shown where I made the mistake or I will have to assume that
I am correct until I am, indeed, shown my fallacy. The fact is, Mostafa,
that you did not do that. The fact is that you did not even try to
refute my explanation of why the watchmaker fallacy is a fallacy. The??
fact is that in reply to my explanation you simply launched into a
tirade of name calling, insults and threats. That convinces me that you
do not have a refutation because I am sure that if you do have one I
would have heard it by now. This is the problem with faith. When you
believe something based on faith you will not give it up no matter how
thoroughly it is discredited. That makes faith completely irrational. I
also remember that you stated that you wanted to discuss the matter in a
civil manner. But, still, you started throwing the insults and threats.
That is not civil. Now, are you ever going to show yourself to be an
honorable man by actually discussing these matters in a civil way or are
you only going to continue to discredit yourself with these tantrums? I
suspect that you will choose to continue to have tantrums. And by the
way, you are also being hypocritical by holding yourself up as some kind
of superior person for having training in theology while those poor
ignorant untrained people who have not had theological training and so
do not understand their own faith are so inferior to you and at the same
time you are completely unable to defend your own faith from a logical
argument and so you throw tantrums. I am sorry, Mostafa, but if you
cannot stand up to a logical argument then your theology is worthless.
You lack education. You lack education because you chose to waste your
time on a theology that fails all logical tests instead of even trying
to become educated. It really is completely unethical for those
Christian missionaries to try to dupe uneducated people, but it is no
less unethical for you to do the same.
---
Voltaire
??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
???
??? Voltaire,
On 7/20/2019 12:44 AM, Mostafa wrote:
Roger insists to shamelessly appear idiotic and rather kafkaesque. I'm
here at it again, intemperately lambasting his quite susceptible
outbound. He couldn't compete toe-to-toe. He's gone down to the sewer
I am afraid. I wasn't addressing your damnable disposal in the first
place. What has brought you to interpose? I actually don't fathom,
what has your despicable despise of faith got to do with the subject I
proposed? Whenever I talk, he unwelcomely intervenes with quite
negative and detestable salacity. Roger hasn't proved his allegedly
biological credentials. It theoretically exists in his miserably
bungling mind, just like the evolution's mythical notion. Despite your
obstinance and abnegation, Islam is incomparably the fastest growing
faith across the globe. In spite of the fact that you haven't clicked
on the video that features Koran scientifically pertained citations
out of fright, it is prominently ratified. I'd like to know though,
what is Roger's significance in this world? What has this hellion's
pathetic life brought to the good of human development? He brought
nothing but derision, left-wing fanaticism and bigotry. What has
the unpleasant experience of the grandson of Ku Klux Klan pro activist
got to do with proper theological vocation? Islam brought me
confidence and composure. Roger claims that he attempted to dispose
me, but it somewhat seems that my messages are just too much for him.
I was talking to someone else, what has made you interpose your nose?
Roger truly demands to be disciplined with corporal punishment. If you
were presented to me, I would have unhesitatingly suspended you and
beaten your damnably bare soles with a cudgel, bastinado. I would have
truly enjoyed you weeping in absolute agony through this tremendously
unenviable situation. I wish to see you just for once somewhat
respectful of yourself. It seems you enjoy being mortified and having
your pride maimed. If you don't like religion, you may better quit
reacting to any of my posts for the sake of your alleged dignity. I
won't ever stop posting about my beliefs and convictions to either
this list or any other forum across the web. My condemnation of
Atheism is primarily based on decisive evidence for its
demonstratively fallacious origin. If I became Atheist tomorrow, would
the world then be a better place? Atheism is just a form of mental
disaffirmation to the unarguable fact that the divine force exists.
There are no empirical or philosophical evidence for the denial of
God. It's just something they sternly resent. As for evolution, it's
basically pseudoscientific and absolutely mythological. I would like
to assist Roger to identify some of his relative chimpanzees. One of
them occupies the White House though. Wait, that was quite a heavy
joke, my apology to chimps. So Roger, next time, when I address
someone else, keep your imprecated mouth shut for the sake of your
dishonourable pride. Before I toss the dice back, beware of crossing
your boundaries once again. Faith is a subject of your obvious
uninterestedness and it's a borderline for me. So, try to be factual
and don't miss the fact that I won't ever defer to your arrogance nor
I'll tolerate your ignorance. Deriding theological major is totally
unacceptable for me. I hope you understood, though I really doubt. I
have more to offer you if you're interested. I could always be tougher
along the way unless someone submissively recedes.
On 7/19/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I really have been trying to ignore Mostafa, but then he comes along
with something like this that I can't resist. Mostafa wrote: "In primal
missionary activism, Muslims who haven't
received proper theological vocation are directly targeted with
misconceptions about their own faith. Ordinarily, they are not
sufficiently adequate to sagely refute them."
Oh yes, this reminds me of the certified theologian who was not adequate at
refuting an argument that destroyed his main justification for religion, so
he threw a tantrum instead.
---
Voltaire
??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities. ???
??? Voltaire,
On 7/18/2019 9:19 PM, Mostafa Almahdy wrote:
Hello sir, thank you so much for your response. Well, to answer your
question concisely, people with mental disability here are
unfortunately pretermitted. As for how legislation is passed, it's
essentially enforced by governmental authority. Guns here are only
obtained by officers who work for either the military forces or the
police service. Blind people here mostly work for call centres et
cetera. Now, I would like to know something regarding the nature of
missionary activism in northern Africa and Muslim nations in
particular. In primal missionary activism, Muslims who haven't
received proper theological vocation are directly targeted with
misconceptions about their own faith. Ordinarily, they are not
sufficiently adequate to sagely refute them. They thence might be
trapped into fallacious premisses. Moreover, many missionary activists
may target Muslims who have been ruthlessly displaced in tough refugee
camps. They may provide them with food, money and shelter in exchange
for their belief. This is conspicuously notorious. In addition,
Muslims who live in the States aren't so knowledgeable about
theological concerns. Consequently, they aren't of equatable compeer
to the southern evangelist out there. Why would enthusiastic
gospellers seek refuge with this not so favourable manner of
preaching? I would've much prefered, if the pastor recognised and
fairly distinguished between theologically certified and incompetent
Muslims. Islam is strong and able to converse with those who plainly
dissent with it. Christian missionary and Atheists alike explicitly
target immigrants from Syrian origin. I have stats brought to me by a
reliable research centre on that regard, based in Toronto. The
missional sentiment focuses on Muslims who are not so educated
theologically. I never attempted to enter into religious debate with
average Christians, because I knew it isn't quite ethical to do so.
I'd like you to perhaps pass on this message on my behalf to majorly
zealous preachers who often travel overseas to purposely proselytise
to Muslims. I hope you do not hasten to somewhat manipulate and
dominate average and not so edified Muslims. Lebanese, Jordanian,
Syrian or Egyptian of your neighborhood, neither of them is
theologically qualified. If you are critical about reaching up to
those who of equal playing field, you need to meet up with
theologians, imams, teachers and so forth. I contacted various
Christian broadcasts and asked them to host me in their shows. They
basically neglected my message which wasn't so respectful. I contact
them, because I hear them talk quite noxiously about major Islamic
tenets and figures, yet, I have full ability to respond appropriately.
So, I didn't contact them to argue with them about their own faith. I
approached them to simply fend for mine which was quite reasonable and
consistent. Some of these shows were broadcasted in Arabic and their
anchors would have spoken so lewdly and presumptuously about Islam,
mocked its prophet and defamed the Koran. That is not acceptable for
me. I'd like to direct the subsequent proposition to all Americans who
receive this follow up thread. You must sternly quit scolding Jihad
for 9-11. You must in fact quit blaming all of us for that. We're not
held accountable of the scandalous security breach committed on that
day. I do not deny the presence of extremism in some religious
elements that belong to Islam, but you have overinflated this incident
for quite awhile. I'd like to unfeignedly advise mission staff and
their affiliates to quit seeking Muslims of low financial and
educational status and rather meet up with settled and theologically
elucidated individuals. I invite those who are keen to present the
Gospel creed to openly evangelise to me. If you cope with that demand,
your preaching mission would have been more credible. It isn't so
ethical in any manner, to intently hunt those of financial privation
or spiritual vanity. We hope to see this unfavourable portrait
significantly enhance. I never coveted to settle in the States in
exchange for my identity. I hope this is fathomed thoroughly.
On 7/18/19, Nathaniel Kile <heavens4real@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello dear friend,
Can you explain how this is all carried out in your own land? Can you
clarify any misconceptions that we may have about where you dwell? Thank
you
for explaining what happens here in the US, in the land where many of us
have lived from birth. What approach has your upstanding government taken
to
avoid our pit-falls here in the US? How is life for the blind, disabled
and
those suffering from mental health concerns. What exactly are your gun
laws
and how are laws passed and legislation carried out?
Please, feel free to be as detailed as possible. My only sources come
from
our personal conversations and missionaries who I have known who have
lived
there.
Nate Kile, Associate Director of Instructional Services, Technology
Specialist, TechVision
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ate Kile,Associate Director of Instructional Services, Technology
Specialist, TechVision
Virtual based technology instruction for blind/low vision students and
TVI???s
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on using
talking
software/screen reader programs on Windows computers, Office products,
iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 7:55 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: The practice of lobbyism and its influence on US legislation
What makes the United States allegedly so reputable? It is the averred
claim that legal authority is incomparably the highest entity in the
whole
nation. Consequently, justice is assuredly implemented. Well, today I
decided to reveal the truth on that regard. How is law enforcement
applied
in the States? Before we get into that, let us first define the work of
lobbyism in America's political arena.
Lobbyism is the Attempt to influence public officials and executives in
favor of specific sentiment or notion. Impounded to that, there are
expenses incurred in promoting or scoping legislation. So for instance,
the
gun lobby is so powerful and immensely influential into congressional
platform. It's called NRA. It's the most powerful lobby that advocates
the
right to own and bear arms in the States. It furthermore promotes
unrestricted firearm possession and rejects any gun regulation by the
government. Despite perennial occurrence of mass shootings because of
unrestricted firearms possession including repeaters, NRA importunes to
boost for unstructured firearms possession. How do they tempt
congressional
authority? Factually, they either bribe or intimidate legislature to
deter
its members of proceeding to pass any bill that aims to regulate
firearms
possession.
They call attempts to regulate firearms possession hyperbole. Many
people
here in the Middle East incorrectly assume that law enforcement in the
States is unambiguously unswayed. Now, they knew this is incredibly
counterfeit and gravely delusional. Similarly, the rule is typically
applied
regarding America's categorical aid to Israel. There are plenty of
Jewish
lobbies in the States to advocate, elevate and boost for Zionist
favouritism
in Capitol Hill. Lobbies in American politics are so crucial and
mutually
influential. Again, a lobby is basically a bond group of people who try
actively to influence legislative arena. The hate sentiment against Islam
in
the States is necessarily impacted with the power of lobbyism. So, law
in
the States isn't independent. It's constantly influenced and manipulated
by
proactive lobbyists. So, American legislation is attributable to be
illimitably rectified, regurgitated, modified and inevitably aligned
with
the highest amount that is to be paid. Republicans are sponsored by
certain
lobbies and so Democrats. Thence, neither party is politically
autonomous.
Each one of them is possessed, financed and wholly controlled by
external
bodies. So, opinion is essentially promoted based on how much is paid.
Is
this an honourable system?
Leastwise, it is the worst legislative model that has ever maneuvered on
earth. Needless to say, each and every lobby of these as for the gun and
Israel one has its own media to broadly promote its notion.
Muslims in the States are misrepresented because they're often talked
about
by others who're not impartial. To the contrary, at any rate, they're
prejudiced about them. If Muslims had enough money to pay those
lobbyists,
they would have displaced their major rivals. Truly, the situation is
inextricable. So, it's nothing about stiff principles or invariant
convictions. It's all about, how much is someone willing to pay? The
higher
you pay, the closer I'm going to be leaned toward your side. So, ladies
and
gentlemen, this is how things work. It is indeed, the filthiest system I
ever encountered. In actuality, this is how Trump was brought to oval
office
and this is how's he being protected despite his irreconcilably
punishable
offences. Well, I'm done.
--
(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a
shoreless ocean.)
