Roger's sense of logic is valueless. He insists to denounce faith.
He's morally disgraced. He imperiously presumes he's superior to me in
gumption. Well, he cowardly flees rational evidence. He's barely stuck
to empirical grounds. As a damnable senior, he won't last for long.
Atheism teaches relativism. It ignominiously breaches moral precepts.
Atheists live a pathetic life. Their primal purpose is to amply
indulge animalistic desires. Morals to them are proportional to
individuals. what is right for you might not be necessarily so for me
and vice versa. People commonly become Atheists for variously
unpleasant experiences in life. Generically, people resort to Atheism
for being broadly baffled on the concept or the doctrine of theodicy.
Whether a coherent explanation is offered, they still are fixed into
their denial. It won't be undiminished even if God and His angels were
personated to them. Mass Christendom prophesies that God is physically
incarnated. Catholicism depicted saints into sculptures and explicitly
idolised them. Consequently, protestantism emerged and declined these
acts. Nevertheless, it still personifies the divine into forcible
immanency. Thence, Atheism has incredibly increased in the west and
beyond. The personification of the divine is one of the major factors
by which Atheism has enormously propagated. The western world staggers
with precarious moral values. The reason for that is its utterly
inundation in philistinism. Truly, the west has reach the peak of
advancement in essentially empirical fields. So, medicine,
engineering, science etc, the west is incomparably the meridian.
But, from the moral perspective, the west failed a great deal. This is
practically proven in diverse spectrums. Each and everything there is
based on material. Even so-called moral tenets, are measured with
materialistic values. So for instance, pornography is theoretically
reprobated. Unless it's good for material value. So, it hasn't been
outlawed. There are billions of dollars spent on this field in the US
and Canada. Why couldn't conservative senators or parliament staff
advocate for banning porn pertained business? Because they won't be
okayed. The design and creation of erotica helps the economy. It's a
major source of income for numerously local companies. So, we need
really to identify the direct affiliation between the emergence of
Atheism and the absence of moral values in the west. Furthermore, the
justification of what moral fundementals consider illicit. Another
example, whereas the girl vows not to break her virginity unless in a
licit relationship. But, many of young women fell in illicit wedlock.
Well, even farther, they may have been involved in criminal
conversation. I think it's absolutely necessary to tackle these valid
concerns.
On 1/30/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I dispute your premises starting with your first sentence. As we know
the universe could not be purposeless. Just how do we know that? Please
provide an answer that has something to do with it being true. You
really do have a problem providing answers that have something to do
with your assertions being true. That is especially apparent when you
start throwing your childish insults as if that has something to do with
your assertions being true. However, I think most people would agree
with the request for an answer that has something to do with the
assertion being true as a reasonable request. As for your subsequent
syllogism, it is certainly logical to state that all things that began
to exist have a cause and since the universe started to exist it
therefore has a cause. But, again, let me remind you of something that I
have already tried to teach you. Logic is only an information processing
system. You feed information in one end and then process it to get
information that you did not have before. It works just as well with
false information as it does with true information. It's just that when
you start with true information you will get true conclusions and when
you start with false information you will get false conclusions. If you
want your logic to give you truth you had better check the validity of
your premises. I will allow that the universe exists insofar as we are
manifestations of its existence. But how do you know that it started to
exist? How do you know that it has not always existed in some form or
another without a beginning? I am not denying that there was a start. I
simply don't know if there was or not. Yet you have the nerve to tell me
that I am arrogant. I am the one who admits that there is so much more,
perhaps an infinity, that I do not know than there is that I do know and
yet you, who claims to have the absolute answers about the reasons for
the existence of the universe itself, call me arrogant. I charge you
with gross hypocrisy for that arrogance. Furthermore, when you claim
that all that has been created needs a creator and that the universe
must have been created because it exists and so must have had a creator
then you demonstrate the circular reasoning simply by making that claim.
I do call it circular reasoning, but you demonstrate it. Now, what are
we going to get this time? More childish insults? If you can't refute my
points then childish insults just continue to validate my points. As for
my failure to relent with you, well, I can give as well as I get. You
are the one who chooses to push these absurdities on other people who
are uninterested and don't want to be beaten over the head with it. So
do I annoy you by standing up to you? As long as you just keep annoying
other people in that way I am unlikely to tire of annoying you right back.
________________________________________________
Jules Verne
“ Reality provides us with facts so romantic that imagination itself could
add nothing to them. ”
― Jules Verne
On 1/30/2019 8:02 AM, Mostafa Almahdy wrote:
As we know, the universe couldn't be purposeless. Thence, the concept
of the divine preexisted the provenience of human race. The claim that
man created the concept of God is immensely delusional. Atheists
deliberately dispose theistic rational argument. I don't need to enter
into another useless debate. At the same time, I don't like fools to
think I fled. Here's a basically structured logical argument,
featuring the existence of the universe. Premiss one, everything that
begins to exist has a cause. Premiss two, the universe began to exist.
Conclusion, the universe has a cause. Roger falsely calls this stiffly
logical chronology (circular reasoning). I don't need to debate an
arbitrary arguer. Roger doesn't like rational evidence. He
intentionally dismisses them and fallaciously devotes himself to
empirical effrontery. He is irreverently fanatic. It's truly a waste
of time to converse with this arrogantly stubborn guy. There is
multiplicity of decisive evidence that are necessarily resolving the
existence of the divine. They incessantly proliferate as time passes
on. Atheists collectively are minor to cosmological evidence for God's
existence. Psychically, faith and reason meant to align. Atheism
destroys human apprehension. Fortunately, I met and spoke to locally
unconscious onomatopoeical Atheists. They unconsciously mimic their
western mentors. Atheism justifies irrationality and calls for
iniquity. Atheists are callously conscienceless. With even calculus
evidence, God's existence could possibly be proven. What brought us to
this point though? I was talking about the teen Saudi girl who had
been taken advantage of. As usual, Roger, this imprecisely rabid
Atheist, has coerced the God debate into the initial discussion. Why?
Because he has enormous antipathy of faith and believers. He's utterly
wrapped with intemperate nescience and discourtesy. He's therefore to
be portrayed the Donald Trump of this list. Accordingly, I justly
marked all of his direct threads to me to automatically be delivered
to the trash folder. I do not need to waste my time pointlessly
debating a senior dormant of the United States. He won't ever be
convinced unless he ultimately dies and faces his awful destiny. He
truly resembles trump's supercilious rhetoric. This is me, from a
third world nation, telling a citizen of the United States, you're
radically stupefied. You pretend you're educated but you're not. I do
not like what I just wrote. Roger forced me to do so. I obviously am
not convincing anyone here. I have no problem with this. I just would
like us to be sanely accountable and adhere the main point of the
subject. I, without any constitutional rights of any nation in the
world, have the fully reserved right to criticise the secular and
atheistic west because it furiously attempts to manipulate our culture
and identity. This war is essentially based on thoughts and
convictions. The west funds depraved people, particularly
secularists to systematically denigrate faith and cause cultural
chaos. They regularly appear in major broadcasts to gradually
disinform lay locals. I stand firm in this cultural combat. We won't
allow those who're bribed to do what westerns want. They criminally
wish to secularise our identity and ruin our heritage. They
erroneously assume they could reach up to that acrimonious objective.
However, they inshAllah won't ever prosper. I'm done with this piece.
I hope everyone clearly discerns who am I. I don't hate others as long
as they stay away from attempting to change us or manipulate the way
we live. I do not ask you to embrace my lifestyle. At the same time,
any attempt to manipulate or regulate our way of life, despite your
opinion of it is despised and declined. Is this plain? I hope so.
On 1/29/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
It seems that we are back to the childish insults. I actually kind of
like that. Every time I back you into a logic corner and you have no
response to my points you start throwing the insults and throwing
tantrums. That validates my position. For yourself, though, you are
doing a disservice. When you have no refutation for my points that must
mean that you are wrong. That is the time that for your own sake you
should change your mind and allow yourself to grow, to grow
intellectually. Throwing tantrums and insults are not going to help you
to learn anything.
________________________________________________
Jules Verne
“ Reality provides us with facts so romantic that imagination itself
could
add nothing to them. ”
― Jules Verne
On 1/29/2019 12:34 PM, Mostafa Almahdy wrote:
You live infelicitous and will die in misery. You somewhat consider
yourself vainglorious. Nevertheless, you are inglorious and just an
abject senior of the US. you're worthy of nothing but contempt. I have
marked your messages to appear only in my trash. That way, the subject
is matching with its essence.
On 1/29/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
And how do you know that to be true, Mostafa? Please provide an answer
that has something to do with it being true.
________________________________________________
Jules Verne
“ Reality provides us with facts so romantic that imagination itself
could
add nothing to them. ”
― Jules Verne
On 1/28/2019 10:13 PM, Mostafa Almahdy wrote:
Roger is despicable and destined to eternal perdition.
On 1/29/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
My response is that this points up more of the hideous nature of
religion,
this contempt for the rights of women. It is despicable. Religion is
despicable.
________________________________________________
Jules Verne
“ Reality provides us with facts so romantic that imagination itself
could
add nothing to them. ”
― Jules Verne
On 1/28/2019 8:18 PM, Mostafa Almahdy wrote:
Hello everyone, I hope you are keeping really well. This is me,
Mustafa Almahdy from Cairo Egypt. I am a certified Azharian
theologian. At almost the middle of this month, we've seen a story
that has sparked mass attention in major news broadcasts. It's the
ridiculous story of indoctrinated teenaged Saudi female called
Rahaf
Al qanun. In each and every family anywhere in the world, there
might
be miscommunication between parents and children. Rahaf fled her
family and allowed aliens to unlawfully intervene between her and
her
family. She fled her family in Bangkok's International Airport.
Therein, she used social media to forge a predicament.
Subsequently,
she left the airport of Bangkok under UN care. She was being headed
to
Austrailia. For some reason though, Canada granted the faker teen
the
status of asylum. At her glorious arrival to Toronto's
international
airport, the Canadian foreign minister, Chrystia Freeland was there
at
her reception. I include the Canadian foreign minister along with
the
prime minister, Justin Trudeau among the recipients of this piece.
Therefore, contact information is undisclosed. Now, to both, mr
Trudeau and his foreign minister, why would you unethically spoof a
teenaged girl into a viciously political game? She's been taken
advantage of. We knew that Saudi expelled your ambassador and
suspended upcoming investment transactions for illicitly attempting
to
interfere in the kingdom's domestic affairs. Thereof, Canada's
government wickedly vitiated the situation of Rahaf to somewhat
dramatise the currently heightening tense between the two
countries.
Nevertheless, the Canadian government must concede to the fact that
it
attempts to secularise Muslims societies in the counterfeit name
of
human rights global guard. If you say so, why wouldn't you
intervene
to end or at least eliminate the terrifically exasperating human
crisis in Syria? What for would you spend enormous welfare on the
Saudi disowned teen? you have no desired interest to gain unless
you
seek to stir up broad compassion. As Canadian parliamentary
election
is around the corner, mr Trudeau's government is attempting to win
the
majority of votes. Human rights shibboleths have been politicised
by
the Canadian government. What would be the Saudi rebellious
adolescent
prospect in Canada? Due to the fact that she has no authentic
qualification, she'll barely sell Sheesha at Arabic cafes in
Toronto
streets. Human rights is a bogus tactic. It is primarily exercised
by
western secular regimes to directly intervene in our affairs. Each
and
every apostate somewhere in the Muslim world attempts to gain fame
and
spark attention through faking a story of alleged persecution.
Consequently, these stories must thoroughly be tackled. This is the
situation of failures and unknown members of the society. There is
a
psychologically declined behaviour within these malcontented acts.
I
won't deny that there is plain breach of human rights principles in
almost all Arab states. However, if someone seeks to gain appeal,
asylum or whatever, why would he need to publicise a dramatical
account? Why wouldn't he just go through ordinary procedures? Now,
mr
Trudeau, I urge you to fairly respond to the following question. If
you are truly the primary guardian of human rights worldwide as
your
foreign minister claimed, why won't you demand the administration
of
Israeli detention center to immediately release incarcerated women
and
children? Would you dare even to think of this? The deceit has now
been wholly exposed. No government anywhere in the world interferes
into other nation's affairs unless an interest is sought. As we say
here in Egypt, it's not done for the sake of God and Patriotism.
The
situation of the teenaged girl has been fully taken advantage of.
In
other words, it has been politicised. If respect is considered, she
should have been returned to her family. Would you allow your
daughter
to go abroad without your consent? If she had been abused as she
said
and that's quite possible, she could have reported her case to the
police. But no, she wanted to cause emotional attention and she
somewhat succeeded. Canada, however, has taken advantage of the
situation for essentially political objectives. What about the
status
of many homeless and domestically abused women in your country?
What
have you done to them so far? Lastly, this is me, Mustafa from
Cairo
Egypt. I'm just keeping you noticed, that despite the deliberate
fraudulence in mass western media, there are sane and edified
people
who fathom the proper truth. The war waged on us now is of cultural
nature. It's certainly more dangerous than the one that involves
tanks
and bombs. Thank you for reading. If you like to comment, you could
respond to this post. Mustafa Almahdy
