You may be right, Miriam, but I gotta tell you, those Barnes Brothers
were Terrorists of the First Order, and I am pretty certain that they
were neither Palestinian nor Muslim.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/7/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Do you not know when we first were told the correct definition of terrorist?
It was the Israelis who told us what the correct definition was. A terrorist
was a Palestinian who committed violence. Interestingly, people in the
British mandate of Palestine thought that they knew what a terrorist was
before that. They thought that those Israelis who bombed the King David
Hotel were terrorists. But we were corrected, I think in the early 70's, and
told that they were mistaken. So for quite some time, everyone accepted the
Israeli definition until 9/11. On that date, in 2001, the definition was
broadened to include all Muslims who committed violence. It has never
included nazi storm troopers or White Supremacists who lynch black people.
It has never included white militias, nor white people who kill large
numbers of people for a variety of reasons, not in the US, not in Western
Europe.
Miriam
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When I am being terrorized, and I certainly have been, I do not stop to try
and figure out why I am the object of another persons meanness.
But when you or someone else is being terrorized, then I can lean back and
debate the reasons that drove a person to bully another. But in my life as
a young Chicken Little, I knew real Terror. The Barnes brothers, Jim and
Bill. When I was twelve years old, Jim was sixteen and Bill was fifteen.
They were in my sixth and seventh grades. Big.
Mean. And mad as Hell over being held back in school. Just smart enough to
know not to lay a hand on their teachers, but quick to realize that they had
a whole barnyard filled with Chicken Little's.
My buddy Richard stood up to them when they chased him down the street.
Richard told me that if I stood my ground they would quit chasing me home
every afternoon. I knew Richard was right, but I couldn't bring myself to
allow them to kick me around, even once. I was long legged and fast afoot.
As the months rolled along I became even faster. But one fine day the
Barnes brothers lay in waiting for me. As I sauntered past a drive way,
they jumped out and grabbed me.
They stood me up against a retaining wall and took turns at throwing a base
ball against the wall, seeing how close they could come. Once in a while
they came too close. A sweet old lady with a hump on her back and a knobby
cane to hold her up, saw what the Terrorists were doing, and she came
hobbling out waving her cane above her head and shouting in broken English,
"Shame you bad boys. You leave now or I call your mother. Don't think I
won't". The M word got their attention and they took their ball, smirked at
me, and fled. Those boys could have had white sheets on, or swastikas
tattooed on their foreheads, or turbans, or horns. They were Terrorists,
pure and simple, and I was being terrorized.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/7/17, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It sounds to me like you are trying to manipulate the word to suit
yourself too. Terrorism is a word that is formed by placing a suffix
on the end of the word terror. If people feel terror then they are
being terrorized and the means by which they are being terrorized is
terrorism. I expect that people in that church were feeling terror.
That makes the attack terrorism. There is nothing in the word
terrorism that implies a motive. The motive for an act of terrorism is
another question.
On 11/6/2017 10:32 AM, MARY CONVY wrote:
People have different definitions for terrorism and yours differs
from mine. Too many times terms are watered down and lose their meaning.
Bullying is the worst example. Even time a kid is looked at
cross-eyed it is not bully. And a mentally ill guy shooting up his
in-law's church is not the same as a guy running a truck into a crowd
with the goal of killing all non-Muslims in the name of Allah so
they can take over the world. It is very different and just a very
weak attempt to say, oh, Muslims aren't the only ones to kill--you white
guys do too. We never used the word terrorism for crazy guys
committing mass murder and we shouldn't today. True terrorism
actually wants to instill world wide terror in the entire world's
population that does not submit to their way of thinking. The goal
is world takeover. A crazy guy shooting up a church may scare the
heck out of us, but his goal is not world wide terror.
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I don’t hate government. I think government should stop representing
the interests of corporations and should start representing the
interests of the majority of people. I believe that we should have
more services provided by all of us to all of us and stop privatizing
everything and stop with the “public/private partnerships”.
But he must have had a reason for choosing to shoot people in a
church, even though he has a history of violence. If you look at the
people who were immediately labeled terrorists, they also had
questionable histories, which was what I was trying to say the other
day, and then they had a rationale for doing what they did. For some
of them, claiming membership in ISIS, was the rationale. In his mind,
this guy also had a rationale. We just don’t know what it was, and
because he doesn’t have a Muslim name, no one is labeling what he
did, “terrorism”.
Miriam
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He's nuts. Dishonorable discharge from Air Force, history of
violence, hates government. One thing in common with many here. He
was shooting fish in a barrel and they would all be dead if it
weren't for a neighbor who came running with his own gun and shot the
guy.
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No motive is being suggested, hmm.
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I just read the Washington Post article. No motive is being suggested.<mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Apparently, they don't know anything about the man who did the
shooting except that he's white. Interestingly, this is, I gather a
white Baptist congregation. One would have expected some quotes
from officials about increasing gun violence and the need for
immediate gun control legislation.
Not a word!
Miriam
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Hello. Unfortunately, at least 26 people have been killed after a
gunman opened fire at a church during Sunday services, officials
say. The
happened at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, a smalltown
inkilled in
Wilson County, Texas. The gunman, who is reported to have been
theit was
aftermath, entered the church and opened fire at around 11:30 local
time
(17:30 GMT). Governor Greg Abbott confirmed the death toll and said
the worst mass shooting in the history of Texas. "This will be aMartin
long, suffering mourning for those in pain," he said at a news
conference on Sunday. Texas Department of Public Safety regional
director Freeman
said the ages of the victims ranged from 5 to 72 years old.dressed in
Authorities said at least 20 people were also injured and taken to
hospital. Mr Martin described the suspect as a young white male in
his early 20s,
allin a
black and wearing a ballistic vest as well as tactical-type gear.
He was armed with an assault-style rifle. He began shooting outside
the church before he entered and opened fire, Mr Martin said. A
local citizen "grabbed his rifle and began shooting" at the
suspect, before the gunman fled
vehicle. The citizen pursued the suspect, who drove off the roadin his
and crashed his car at the Guadalupe County line. Police found the
suspect dead
car, but it is unclear if he died from a self-inflicted gunshotas an
wound or from returned fire from the citizen, Mr Martin added. As
usual, the incident is described as a national tragedy. However, it
won't ever be viewed
act of terror nor it won't urge law enforcement commission todesperately
hasten for gun law redressal. The situation has been clearer thaninstantly
ever before. If a Muslim committed this incident, it would have
been
described as a denotative act of terror. It would have surged bruntdespicable
Islamophobic sentiment across the States. The rate of hate and
bigotry has reached its peak of extremity. I am genuinelyquestioning your
jural authority, is it sufficiently judicial? The shooter has beenam now
described as a lone gunman and Trump called the incident a horrible
crime. I
anhe is
unfeigned percipient of American deliberate secernment of murder
incidents.
It just depends on who is the criminal. If he happened to be
Muslim,
aunfortunate.
brutal terrorist. But, if he was a white guy, he is just a lunatic,
mentally unbalanced. This racialist scenario is incessantly
iterated. I really don't know what to say at this point. I just
hope no one you know has been anguished. Of course, I grieve what
happened. This was rather
What concerns me at this point though, is the double standard ofcriminalise
viewing such incidents. It essentially depends on who is the
crook. I
such incidents. I call them intolerable acts of terror, despitewho's the
murderer. I do not think someone in the States or elsewhere maybetween
disagree with me. However, Some white supremacists make a plain
distinction
malefactors, depending on their faith or race. I am saddened seeingoff any
more innocent souls lost because the National Rifle Association
blocks
bills to regulate weapon possession. The situation worsenswith
excessively while the solution is plain and straightforward. The
battle between greed and law enforcement is subjected to vastly
intensify. Congress is dominated
gun boosters. Senator Ted Cruz is just one of them. I wonder, whatwill he
possibly do subsequent to this grave mass shooting in his State?
Bob Evans
