Hi all,
Well it does seem hard at times to figure out just who and who is not a
terrorist.
One group that ought to come in for more scrutiny are white supremacists who
hope to scare the rest of us into keeping our mouths shut or a very small
minority of pro-lifers who kill abortion providers.
But, one thing I think we can all agree about is that there are more and
more violent acts that kill multiple persons. Whether one is killed or
maimed by a member of ISIS or ISIS sympathizer, a radical white supremacist
or a guy who went nuts with a gun or a truck, the act is equally heinous.
Not only do we need more gun control, we also need to get at the root of how
and why these heinous events occur.
Bob Hachey
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People have different definitions for terrorism and yours differs from mine.
Too many times terms are watered down and lose their meaning. Bullying is
the worst example. Even time a kid is looked at cross-eyed it is not bully.
And a mentally ill guy shooting up his in-law's church is not the same as a
guy running a truck into a crowd with the goal of killing all non-Muslims
in the name of Allah so they can take over the world. It is very different
and just a very weak attempt to say, oh, Muslims aren't the only ones to
kill--you white guys do too. We never used the word terrorism for crazy
guys committing mass murder and we shouldn't today. True terrorism actually
wants to instill world wide terror in the entire world's population that
does not submit to their way of thinking. The goal is world takeover. A
crazy guy shooting up a church may scare the heck out of us, but his goal is
not world wide terror.
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I don't hate government. I think government should stop representing the
interests of corporations and should start representing the interests of the
majority of people. I believe that we should have more services provided by
all of us to all of us and stop privatizing everything and stop with the
"public/private partnerships".
But he must have had a reason for choosing to shoot people in a church, even
though he has a history of violence. If you look at the people who were
immediately labeled terrorists, they also had questionable histories, which
was what I was trying to say the other day, and then they had a rationale
for doing what they did. For some of them, claiming membership in ISIS, was
the rationale. In his mind, this guy also had a rationale. We just don't
know what it was, and because he doesn't have a Muslim name, no one is
labeling what he did, "terrorism".
Miriam
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He's nuts. Dishonorable discharge from Air Force, history of violence,
hates government. One thing in common with many here. He was shooting fish
in a barrel and they would all be dead if it weren't for a neighbor who came
running with his own gun and shot the guy.
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No motive is being suggested, hmm.
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I just read the Washington Post article. No motive is being suggested."Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org
Apparently, they don't know anything about the man who did the shooting
except that he's white. Interestingly, this is, I gather a white Baptist
congregation. One would have expected some quotes from officials about
increasing gun violence and the need for immediate gun control
legislation.
Not a word!
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Texas Church mass shooting
Hello. Unfortunately, at least 26 people have been killed after a gunman
opened fire at a church during Sunday services, officials say. The attack
happened at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, a small town
in
Wilson County, Texas. The gunman, who is reported to have been killed in
the
aftermath, entered the church and opened fire at around 11:30 local time
(17:30 GMT). Governor Greg Abbott confirmed the death toll and said it was
the worst mass shooting in the history of Texas. "This will be a long,
suffering mourning for those in pain," he said at a news conference on
Sunday. Texas Department of Public Safety regional director Freeman Martin
said the ages of the victims ranged from 5 to 72 years old. Authorities
said
at least 20 people were also injured and taken to hospital. Mr Martin
described the suspect as a young white male in his early 20s, dressed in
all
black and wearing a ballistic vest as well as tactical-type gear. He was
armed with an assault-style rifle. He began shooting outside the church
before he entered and opened fire, Mr Martin said. A local citizen
"grabbed
his rifle and began shooting" at the suspect, before the gunman fled in a
vehicle. The citizen pursued the suspect, who drove off the road and
crashed
his car at the Guadalupe County line. Police found the suspect dead in his
car, but it is unclear if he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or
from returned fire from the citizen, Mr Martin added. As usual, the
incident
is described as a national tragedy. However, it won't ever be viewed as an
act of terror nor it won't urge law enforcement commission to desperately
hasten for gun law redressal. The situation has been clearer than ever
before. If a Muslim committed this incident, it would have been instantly
described as a denotative act of terror. It would have surged brunt
Islamophobic sentiment across the States. The rate of hate and despicable
bigotry has reached its peak of extremity. I am genuinely questioning your
jural authority, is it sufficiently judicial? The shooter has been
described
as a lone gunman and Trump called the incident a horrible crime. I am now
an
unfeigned percipient of American deliberate secernment of murder
incidents.
It just depends on who is the criminal. If he happened to be Muslim, he is
a
brutal terrorist. But, if he was a white guy, he is just a lunatic,
mentally
unbalanced. This racialist scenario is incessantly iterated. I really
don't
know what to say at this point. I just hope no one you know has been
anguished. Of course, I grieve what happened. This was rather unfortunate.
What concerns me at this point though, is the double standard of viewing
such incidents. It essentially depends on who is the crook. I criminalise
such incidents. I call them intolerable acts of terror, despite who's the
murderer. I do not think someone in the States or elsewhere may disagree
with me. However, Some white supremacists make a plain distinction between
malefactors, depending on their faith or race. I am saddened seeing more
innocent souls lost because the National Rifle Association blocks off any
bills to regulate weapon possession. The situation worsens excessively
while
the solution is plain and straightforward. The battle between greed and
law
enforcement is subjected to vastly intensify. Congress is dominated with
gun boosters. Senator Ted Cruz is just one of them. I wonder, what will he
possibly do subsequent to this grave mass shooting in his State?
Bob Evans
