I am sorry for the filth Joe posted to this list.
As for the existence of a deity, we just have to die to find out.
Let us suspend arguing until we wait and see.
On 8/14/17, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Joe,
In my opinion you are far too hard on Mostafa(Bob). First, he is one
of millions who believe as he does, that our lives are directed by
some invisible Great Creator. Second, even if he were an infiltrator,
he would have to shoulder his way through a huge crowd of local
misguided Zombies.
Finally, I place the root of the misguided belief on the heads of
those using God/Allah to keep the Masses under their tight control.
We might not go to nuclear war for Donald Trump, but for God Almighty?
You bet! It's hard to believe that we are now looking at two major
camps, one with an invisible God at the fore, and the other with an
invisible Allah waving the banner. Really? Are we willing to die
supporting some invisible Being, especially since Believers proclaim
that their invisible Being can smite us all dead with one wave of His
invisible hand.
The bad news, among all the bad news, is that all of us, every single
Human Being has been damaged by all of this gobbledygook. There may
be a sane person among us, but who could be the one to know?
Carl Jarvis
On 8/14/17, joe harcz Comcast <joeharcz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ok, before I go let me say this, "Allah and for that matter, god is a
Disney
ride put forward by clowns who drank from a secret tea cup full of LSD or
similar drugs".
Allah, and Jesus and all of those bogus entities are fairy tales put
forth
to make bullshit artists like Mustafa who isn't even half lucid, but who
is
clearly a troll and likely an agent provocateur in to our midst.
Allah, and Jesus and other entities divined are used to keep us all down.
They don't wish for us to eat from the tree of knowledge or even humanly
divined, so-to-speak, logic. They want us to be sheep for the slaughter..
They want us to "believe" in their deities so they can control us. It is
all
about control over bodies and minds and projections of that control when
we
scramble to figure the bull shit out.
My mother whom I carried to the bathroom and whom I took care of until
and
up to her last breath is dead. Her memory is all that exists.
She is dead and buried in the ground. She by the way was a "true
believer".
I'm sorry but I cannot express the contempt I feel right now for the
likes
of the infamous Mustafa/Bob.
For he is again a troll, a sock puppet and a mean person. And bullies
need
to be confronted and truth needs to be told.
And I need to be off this freaking list for my own sanity and to get away
from creeps like Mustafa as sick asthese types are.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Bob
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sunday
Okay, I'll give you a rational answer. The problem with allah doing
what
you point to is that allah is not omnipotent. Allah is only a fairy tale
character. What makes this rational is that to believe in the reality of
fairy tale characters is irrational. Now, speaking of rationality and
logic,
I have been meaning to respond to an earlier message from you. At the time
I
had concentrated on another part of your message and did not get around
to
this part of it. You said that the existence of a deity is logical
because
everything that exists must have a creator. Let's stop a moment to look
at
what logic is. Logic is an information processing algorithm. One takes
two
or more pieces of information and process them with logic and one gets
another piece of information that had not been there before. With that in
mind let's look at the syllogism you were implying. Everything that
exists
must have a creator. The universe exists. Therefor the universe has a
creator. That is the simplest of syllogisms in formal logic. It is
flawlessly logical. However, the logical algorithm works just as well
with
false information as it does with correct information. I strongly suspect
that your first premise is false information. That is the premise that
everything that exists must have a creator. How do you know that is true?
I
suppose that you might come up with another syllogism to arrive at that
premise, but then I would have to question the premises in the second
syllogism. Ultimately, no matter how logical your argument it is
necessary
to provide some evidence for the premises. So how do you know that
everything that exists must have a creator. Please provide an answer that
has something to do with it being true. If you cannot come up with a
reason
to believe it then your claim has as much validity as the claim that a
paisley unicorn is orbiting Jupiter in a tea cup.
On 8/13/2017 12:58 AM, Bob wrote:
Hello, on each Sunday morning, fellow Congregationalists gather to
worship. In the Koran, there is a chapter called chapter of Mary. It is
numbered the nineteenth in a typical Koranic index. At its inception,
allah
mentions when prophet Zechariah peace be upon him desperately implored to
his Lord in seclusion. He said, my Lord, my bones have become feeble and
my
head has flamed with grey hair, and my Lord, I have been never
disappointed
with my prayer to you. And, I have been frightened with the dependants
after
me and my spouse has been barren, so grant me with you a grace an heir.
Shall he inherit me and inherit from the house of Jacob, and make him my
Lord pleasing. Oh Zechariah, we give you the glad tidings of a boy named
John, a name We have never been given before. He said, my Lord, how can I
have a son, when my spouse is barren, and I have become decrepit with old
age. He said, It will be so, your Lord says, it is easy for me, and I
created you before, when you were nothing. He said, my Lord, give me a
sign,
he said, your sign that you shall not speak to people for three nights
consecutively. And he came out to his people from the sanctuary and
signaled
to them, glorify in the morning and evening. Oh John, hold the scripture
firmly and We gave him wisdom in his youth. And tenderness from Us, and
innocence. He was devout. And he was dutiful to his parents, and he was
not
disobedient, tyrant. And peace be upon him the day he was born, the day
he
dies and the day he is raised alive. And mention in the Scripture Mary,
when
she withdrew from her people to an eastern place. She screened herself
away
from them, and We sent to her Our spirit, and He appeared to her as an
immaculate human. She said, I take refuge from you to the Most Merciful,
should you be righteous. He said, I am only the messenger of your Lord,
to
give you the gift of a pure son. She said, how can I have a son when no
man
has touched me and I was never unchaste. He said, thus said your Lord, It
is
easy for Me, and We will make him a sign for humanity, and a mercy from
Us.
The matter was predetermined. So she carried him, and secluded herself
with
him in a remote place. Labor pains came upon her by the trunk of a
palmtree. She said, I wish I had died before this and been completely
forgotten. Whereupon he called her from beneath her, shall not you
grieve,
your Lord has placed a stream beneath you. And shake the trunk of the
palmtree towards you and it will drop on you edible dates. So eat, drink
and be consoled. If you see any human, say, I have vowed a fast to the
Most
Gracious, so I will not speak to any human today. Then she came to her
people carrying him, they said, oh Mary, you truly have done something
terrible. Oh sister of Aaron, your father was not wicked nor your mother
was
unchaste. So she pointed to him, they said, how can we speak to an infant
in
the crib. He said, I indeed am the servant of Allah, He has given me the
scripture and made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wherever I may
be,
and has enjoined on me prayer and charity, so long as I live. And
deutiful
to my mother, and hasn’t made me disobedient, rebel. So Peace is upon me
the
day I was born, and the day I die, and the Day I get resurrected alive.
This
is indeed Jesus son of Mary, the sentiment of truth upon which they tend
to
dispute. Truly, Allah is my and your Lord, so worship Him. This is
basically
the straight path. The Koran then says, and factions have dissented from
among them, so woe to those who disbelieved from the scene of a great
day.
Each and every denomination has its rendition of who Jesus was. However,
Islam presents to the sincere seeker a plain portrait of his genuine
account. I am not destined to relentlessly argue. Each and every
individual
is perfectly autonomous. I am not urging the provoke of a uselessly
theological debate. I am just presenting, without stereotypic notion, the
Islamic version of the Nativity tale. There are major factors to
consider.
First, the Islamic story demonstrates in clear terms, Allah’s illimitable
measurelessly Omnipotence. Second, it enormously honours both Zechariah
and
John whom Christians call the Baptist as equally, notable prophets.
Third,
it plainly honours Mary and it righteously recognises her unparalleled
celibacy. Fourth, it recognises the Nativity tale while scrupulously
maintaining plain monotheism, exalting the divine from bearing a son.
Fifth
and ultimately, it emphatically exonerates virtuous Mary from the
intolerable allegation Jews wrongfully impeached her with. I urge the
recipient of this post to carefully ponder, I do not urge you to hasten.
I
am a caller to Islam. I at the end, want to ask you one simple question.
This question demands a clear and a straightforward answer. If Allah is
providentially Omnipotent, what is the problem with Him procreating
offspring from a decrepitly aged man and a barren woman? Similarly, if
Allah’s Omnipotence is measureless, what is the problem with Him
procreating offspring from a virgin, and without any masculine
intervention? I believe that this question is rationally valid and it
therefore demands a logical answer. I again, do not hasten anyone to
instantly respond. I just am urging you to think properly. Here is Bob
greeting you, peace, blessings and much respect from me.
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