Ok, before I go let me say this, "Allah and for that matter, god is a Disney
ride put forward by clowns who drank from a secret tea cup full of LSD or
similar drugs".
Allah, and Jesus and all of those bogus entities are fairy tales put forth to
make bullshit artists like Mustafa who isn't even half lucid, but who is
clearly a troll and likely an agent provocateur in to our midst.
Allah, and Jesus and other entities divined are used to keep us all down. They
don't wish for us to eat from the tree of knowledge or even humanly divined,
so-to-speak, logic. They want us to be sheep for the slaughter.. They want us
to "believe" in their deities so they can control us. It is all about control
over bodies and minds and projections of that control when we scramble to
figure the bull shit out.
My mother whom I carried to the bathroom and whom I took care of until and up
to her last breath is dead. Her memory is all that exists.
She is dead and buried in the ground. She by the way was a "true believer".
I'm sorry but I cannot express the contempt I feel right now for the likes of
the infamous Mustafa/Bob.
For he is again a troll, a sock puppet and a mean person. And bullies need to
be confronted and truth needs to be told.
And I need to be off this freaking list for my own sanity and to get away from
creeps like Mustafa as sick asthese types are.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Bob
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Sunday
Okay, I'll give you a rational answer. The problem with allah doing what you
point to is that allah is not omnipotent. Allah is only a fairy tale character.
What makes this rational is that to believe in the reality of fairy tale
characters is irrational. Now, speaking of rationality and logic, I have been
meaning to respond to an earlier message from you. At the time I had
concentrated on another part of your message and did not get around to this
part of it. You said that the existence of a deity is logical because
everything that exists must have a creator. Let's stop a moment to look at what
logic is. Logic is an information processing algorithm. One takes two or more
pieces of information and process them with logic and one gets another piece of
information that had not been there before. With that in mind let's look at the
syllogism you were implying. Everything that exists must have a creator. The
universe exists. Therefor the universe has a creator. That is the simplest of
syllogisms in formal logic. It is flawlessly logical. However, the logical
algorithm works just as well with false information as it does with correct
information. I strongly suspect that your first premise is false information.
That is the premise that everything that exists must have a creator. How do you
know that is true? I suppose that you might come up with another syllogism to
arrive at that premise, but then I would have to question the premises in the
second syllogism. Ultimately, no matter how logical your argument it is
necessary to provide some evidence for the premises. So how do you know that
everything that exists must have a creator. Please provide an answer that has
something to do with it being true. If you cannot come up with a reason to
believe it then your claim has as much validity as the claim that a paisley
unicorn is orbiting Jupiter in a tea cup.
On 8/13/2017 12:58 AM, Bob wrote:
Hello, on each Sunday morning, fellow Congregationalists gather to worship.
In the Koran, there is a chapter called chapter of Mary. It is numbered the
nineteenth in a typical Koranic index. At its inception, allah mentions when
prophet Zechariah peace be upon him desperately implored to his Lord in
seclusion. He said, my Lord, my bones have become feeble and my head has flamed
with grey hair, and my Lord, I have been never disappointed with my prayer to
you. And, I have been frightened with the dependants after me and my spouse has
been barren, so grant me with you a grace an heir. Shall he inherit me and
inherit from the house of Jacob, and make him my Lord pleasing. Oh Zechariah,
we give you the glad tidings of a boy named John, a name We have never been
given before. He said, my Lord, how can I have a son, when my spouse is barren,
and I have become decrepit with old age. He said, It will be so, your Lord
says, it is easy for me, and I created you before, when you were nothing. He
said, my Lord, give me a sign, he said, your sign that you shall not speak to
people for three nights consecutively. And he came out to his people from the
sanctuary and signaled to them, glorify in the morning and evening. Oh John,
hold the scripture firmly and We gave him wisdom in his youth. And tenderness
from Us, and innocence. He was devout. And he was dutiful to his parents, and
he was not disobedient, tyrant. And peace be upon him the day he was born, the
day he dies and the day he is raised alive. And mention in the Scripture Mary,
when she withdrew from her people to an eastern place. She screened herself
away from them, and We sent to her Our spirit, and He appeared to her as an
immaculate human. She said, I take refuge from you to the Most Merciful, should
you be righteous. He said, I am only the messenger of your Lord, to give you
the gift of a pure son. She said, how can I have a son when no man has touched
me and I was never unchaste. He said, thus said your Lord, It is easy for Me,
and We will make him a sign for humanity, and a mercy from Us. The matter was
predetermined. So she carried him, and secluded herself with him in a remote
place. Labor pains came upon her by the trunk of a palmtree. She said, I wish
I had died before this and been completely forgotten. Whereupon he called her
from beneath her, shall not you grieve, your Lord has placed a stream beneath
you. And shake the trunk of the palmtree towards you and it will drop on you
edible dates. So eat, drink and be consoled. If you see any human, say, I
have vowed a fast to the Most Gracious, so I will not speak to any human today.
Then she came to her people carrying him, they said, oh Mary, you truly have
done something terrible. Oh sister of Aaron, your father was not wicked nor
your mother was unchaste. So she pointed to him, they said, how can we speak to
an infant in the crib. He said, I indeed am the servant of Allah, He has given
me the scripture and made me a prophet. And has made me blessed wherever I may
be, and has enjoined on me prayer and charity, so long as I live. And deutiful
to my mother, and hasn’t made me disobedient, rebel. So Peace is upon me the
day I was born, and the day I die, and the Day I get resurrected alive. This is
indeed Jesus son of Mary, the sentiment of truth upon which they tend to
dispute. Truly, Allah is my and your Lord, so worship Him. This is basically
the straight path. The Koran then says, and factions have dissented from among
them, so woe to those who disbelieved from the scene of a great day. Each and
every denomination has its rendition of who Jesus was. However, Islam presents
to the sincere seeker a plain portrait of his genuine account. I am not
destined to relentlessly argue. Each and every individual is perfectly
autonomous. I am not urging the provoke of a uselessly theological debate. I am
just presenting, without stereotypic notion, the Islamic version of the
Nativity tale. There are major factors to consider. First, the Islamic story
demonstrates in clear terms, Allah’s illimitable measurelessly Omnipotence.
Second, it enormously honours both Zechariah and John whom Christians call the
Baptist as equally, notable prophets. Third, it plainly honours Mary and it
righteously recognises her unparalleled celibacy. Fourth, it recognises the
Nativity tale while scrupulously maintaining plain monotheism, exalting the
divine from bearing a son. Fifth and ultimately, it emphatically exonerates
virtuous Mary from the intolerable allegation Jews wrongfully impeached her
with. I urge the recipient of this post to carefully ponder, I do not urge you
to hasten. I am a caller to Islam. I at the end, want to ask you one simple
question. This question demands a clear and a straightforward answer. If Allah
is providentially Omnipotent, what is the problem with Him procreating
offspring from a decrepitly aged man and a barren woman? Similarly, if Allah’s
Omnipotence is measureless, what is the problem with Him procreating
offspring from a virgin, and without any masculine intervention? I believe that
this question is rationally valid and it therefore demands a logical answer. I
again, do not hasten anyone to instantly respond. I just am urging you to think
properly. Here is Bob greeting you, peace, blessings and much respect from me.
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