Yes, it's disgusting. But should they be imprisoned for it? Have they hurt
anyone except for our sensibilities?
Miriam
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Hi Miriam,
I agree with you to a point. Perhaps masturbating to pictures of dead
children does not automatically make someone a child molester, but, frankly,
the idea gives me an ick feeling that is very rare for me.
I'm usually a live and let live kind of guy when it comes to sexual issues.
I hate how folks are judged in this country for their sexual likes and
preferences except when children are involved.
Bob Hachey
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Six Months for Raping His 12-Year-Old Daughter
Well, I have a problem with this. I'll tell you what I think and please do
tell me what you think. I think that although it may be sick and disgusting
to masturbate while looking at pictures of children, or dead children, it
shouldn't be a crime punishable by imprisonment. No one has been hurt. I
think that there is a difference between thinking about something,
fantasizing about it, and actually doing it. People watch murder mysteries
all of the time but somehow, no one thinks they should be imprisoned for
thinking about murder. And then there are all those video games which allow
you to kill lots of people. That is apparently, OK. I think watching people
killing other people isn't fun, and I think it's downright sick to get a
kick out of murdering the enemy in a video or computer game. But so long as
it's all in people's heads, I don't care. The ssame is true about sex, even
sex with children, just so it's in people's heads, it's none of our
business. No, I don't think children should be filmed doing sexual acdts.
That's a crime. But the guy who stumbles on that video on his computer,
didn't do the filming, and the filming would have been done, even if he
didn't watch because someone else, somewhere, would.
Miriam
Kiriakou writes: "A few days after I began a prison sentence for blowing the
whistle on the CIA's torture program, I started a job as a janitor in the
prison library. On my first day on the job, a fellow prisoner asked what I
was in for and how long my sentence was. I gave him the two-minute version
of my story and I asked how long he was in for. 'Oh, twenty-two years,' he
said, as if it was no big deal. I was shocked."
A prisoner. (photo: Getty Images)
Six Months for Raping His 12-Year-Old Daughter By John Kiriakou, Reader
Supported News
25 October 16
A few days after I began a prison sentence for blowing the whistle on the
CIA's torture program, I started a job as a janitor in the prison library.
On my first day on the job, a fellow prisoner asked what I was in for and
how long my sentence was. I gave him the two-minute version of my story and
I asked how long he was in for. "Oh, twenty-two years," he said, as if it
was no big deal. I was shocked.
I asked if he minded telling me what he had done. "I got caught looking at
crime scene photos," he responded. I asked what that was supposed to mean.
"Well, having sex with children is a crime. I was just looking at the
photos." I gave him a hard look and said, "You're not the victim here."
"What really did me in was that subfolder," he continued. All right, I
thought. I'll bite. "What was in the subfolder?" He lit right up. "Well, I
like to masturbate while looking at pictures of dead children. I have a
friend who works in a morgue ." I put up my hand. "Don't ever speak to me
again. Do you understand?"
The man was a "chomo," prison slang for a child molester. I encountered many
of them in prison, more than I care to remember. Many prisoners saw
differences between "clickers," those who looked at child pornography online
or in videos, and "touchers," those who had physically assaulted children.
Personally, I didn't think there was any difference between them. They were
all monsters. But clickers generally got mandatory minimum sentences of five
years, while touchers had sentences between 15 and 60 years.
Over the course of two years in prison I came to truly loathe the chomos.
All of them. None of them ever expressed any regret or remorse for their
crimes. They delighted in talking about their cases and reliving the
details. And psychologists say that there is no known form of
rehabilitation. People who prey on children must be removed from society.
The havoc they wreak ruins lives permanently. Our children must be protected
from them.
You can imagine, then, my shock when I read in The New York Times that a
judge in Montana sentenced a man who had repeatedly raped his 12-year-old
daughter to only 60 days in the local jail. The prosecution had recommended
that the man, whose name was withheld to protect the child's privacy, be
sentenced to 100 years, with 75 years suspended. The judge, John C. McKeon,
also ordered the father to pay for his daughter's medical expenses,
including therapy, and to register as a sex offender. He rationalized the
light sentence, saying that the man's two sons needed their father, and that
the father "had the support of his church." With time served, the father
will be released from jail in three weeks. There likely will be no chance to
impeach the judge. He retires on November 30.
Meanwhile, a judge in Fresno, California, found Rene Lopez guilty of
repeatedly raping his daughter. But in that case, Judge Edward Sarkisian Jr.
told Lopez that he was a "serious danger to society," noted that Lopez had
never shown any remorse for his crimes, and sentenced him to 1,503 years in
a state penitentiary. That's more like it.
Believe me, I'm all about criminal justice reform. I hate that the U.S. has
five percent of the world's population and 25 percent of the world's prison
population. I hate that the so-called "war on drugs" has filled the
country's prisons, especially with young men of color. I hate that there are
no opportunities in prison for education, training, or even basic
rehabilitation.
But we owe it to our children, the most vulnerable members of our society,
to protect them. For those who target children, there ought always to be
room in our prisons. And for judges who give these monsters a pass, there
ought to be a garbage bin where we can throw their careers.
________________________________________
John Kiriakou is a former CIA counterterrorism officer and a former senior
investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. John became the
sixth whistleblower indicted by the Obama administration under the Espionage
Act - a law designed to punish spies. He served 23 months in prison as a
result of his attempts to oppose the Bush administration's torture program.
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to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader
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Six Months for Raping His 12-Year-Old Daughter By John Kiriakou, Reader
Supported News
25 October 16
few days after I began a prison sentence for blowing the whistle on the
CIA's torture program, I started a job as a janitor in the prison library.
On my first day on the job, a fellow prisoner asked what I was in for and
how long my sentence was. I gave him the two-minute version of my story and
I asked how long he was in for. "Oh, twenty-two years," he said, as if it
was no big deal. I was shocked.
I asked if he minded telling me what he had done. "I got caught looking at
crime scene photos," he responded. I asked what that was supposed to mean.
"Well, having sex with children is a crime. I was just looking at the
photos." I gave him a hard look and said, "You're not the victim here."
"What really did me in was that subfolder," he continued. All right, I
thought. I'll bite. "What was in the subfolder?" He lit right up. "Well, I
like to masturbate while looking at pictures of dead children. I have a
friend who works in a morgue ." I put up my hand. "Don't ever speak to me
again. Do you understand?"
The man was a "chomo," prison slang for a child molester. I encountered many
of them in prison, more than I care to remember. Many prisoners saw
differences between "clickers," those who looked at child pornography online
or in videos, and "touchers," those who had physically assaulted children.
Personally, I didn't think there was any difference between them. They were
all monsters. But clickers generally got mandatory minimum sentences of five
years, while touchers had sentences between 15 and 60 years.
Over the course of two years in prison I came to truly loathe the chomos.
All of them. None of them ever expressed any regret or remorse for their
crimes. They delighted in talking about their cases and reliving the
details. And psychologists say that there is no known form of
rehabilitation. People who prey on children must be removed from society.
The havoc they wreak ruins lives permanently. Our children must be protected
from them.
You can imagine, then, my shock when I read in The New York Times that a
judge in Montana sentenced a man who had repeatedly raped his 12-year-old
daughter to only 60 days in the local jail. The prosecution had recommended
that the man, whose name was withheld to protect the child's privacy, be
sentenced to 100 years, with 75 years suspended. The judge, John C. McKeon,
also ordered the father to pay for his daughter's medical expenses,
including therapy, and to register as a sex offender. He rationalized the
light sentence, saying that the man's two sons needed their father, and that
the father "had the support of his church." With time served, the father
will be released from jail in three weeks. There likely will be no chance to
impeach the judge. He retires on November 30.
Meanwhile, a judge in Fresno, California, found Rene Lopez guilty of
repeatedly raping his daughter. But in that case, Judge Edward Sarkisian Jr.
told Lopez that he was a "serious danger to society," noted that Lopez had
never shown any remorse for his crimes, and sentenced him to 1,503 years in
a state penitentiary. That's more like it.
Believe me, I'm all about criminal justice reform. I hate that the U.S. has
five percent of the world's population and 25 percent of the world's prison
population. I hate that the so-called "war on drugs" has filled the
country's prisons, especially with young men of color. I hate that there are
no opportunities in prison for education, training, or even basic
rehabilitation.
But we owe it to our children, the most vulnerable members of our society,
to protect them. For those who target children, there ought always to be
room in our prisons. And for judges who give these monsters a pass, there
ought to be a garbage bin where we can throw their careers.
John Kiriakou is a former CIA counterterrorism officer and a former senior
investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. John became the
sixth whistleblower indicted by the Obama administration under the Espionage
Act - a law designed to punish spies. He served 23 months in prison as a
result of his attempts to oppose the Bush administration's torture program.
Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission
to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader
Supported News.
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