Listen everyone, I am not to be manipulated by any of you. I have
nothing to say about blind people in Egypt. It isn't my interest nor
I'm solely encircled by them. My faith resembles a substantially major
constituent of my character and identity. I'm a certified theologian
who lives an ordinary life at the heart of Cairo. As I plainly stated
earlier, it isn't my prob if you have experienced religion in a
negative manner. My perception of faith resembles certitude and placid
temperament. I never needed to be diagnosed or treated for any mental
problem. Gratefully, I don't even recall taking antidepressants. I'm
perfectly felicitous with my lifestyle. As I represent myself through
these factors, I encounter someone who is leastwise, nescient and
discourteous. He talks about my religion in ignominious fashion. When
I ask him for proof, he palters. I'm not joking here. This list is
essentially for confabulation. Well, my religion isn't to be included
in this. Roger doesn't even know how to spell the adverb civilly. He's
just good at fending for Joe of conniptions. I feel pitiful for your
absolutely miserable state. You're just a cull and you've never been
recognised in the scientific community. Furthermore, you're socially
abandoned and that's awful. Splendidly, he doesn't seem to be capable
of releasing his supposititious qualification in Biology or whatever
that might be. I'm enormously repelled with his appallingly eccentric
disposal. I do not purport to be obsequious. Roger has been sibilated
on the subject of science. To be critically outspoken with all of you,
the rate of education in the United States is just too low. Resorting
to the delete key is the path of the diluted to flee stunning facts.
Your proposition is absolutely insipid. What does Atheism offer to
tralatitious queriers? It's of nothing but immense delusion and
disarray. If someone doesn't have sufficient courage to click on a
video, that is adequate proof to justly characterise him with being
absolutely fugitive, clumsy, slaphappy, bigoted and intimidated.
There are many people here in the Middle East who like to imitate
westerns to feel pleased with themselves. I sternly scold those for
being so defeated and manipulated. I'm despised for being myself. If I
change to please those of the west or America, I'll be radically
disingenuous at the slightest. I'm so gratified with my spirit for
courageously standing firm in this furious battle. I learn English and
I knew it's progressively improving. Nonetheless, I do not intend to
be culturally influenced. This is why I'm detestably scorned. Well,
I'm pleased to be spurned for this. I knew Roger will maliciously
continue to diss, ridicule and vilify faith related concepts. I knew
he won't answer the remaining question of how did he know that prophet
Muhammad wrote the Koran? Similarly, he won't ever unveil his alleged
certificate in Biology, simply because, it just doesn't exist.
Otherwise, he would have just brought it. I thus must thank Roger for
methodologically entertaining me. This subaltern senior equates in
unrivalled precision the precise description of psychosis. He says I
am a negative representation of Islam because I dragged him into a
corner as I asked him for proving his alleged credentials and I
challenged his credibility as I asked him to cite the reference of his
stupified argument. I'm not going to be silenced on this. Contemptuous
rhetoric doesn't discourage me. I still have the right to oppugn the
validity of your despicably treacherous claims. People here could
insult as much until they are mentally satisfied. Nevertheless, that
won't exempt you from being impeached of inserting tittle-tattle into
what was meant to be a serious conversation. I'm going to destroy all
of you. Each and everyone here represents the grave loss of spiritual
impoverishment in western culture. I never coerced anyone here to
convert, revert, embrace or apostate any faith or philosophy. The
talk about decapitation is just another way of fleeing serious
discussion. This is a very cheap method often exercised by
Islamophobes. This is not more than just an emotional trick. You
aren't equating any of those popular Islamophobes out there. You all
are less than that. You're just miming them in unconscious way. No one
here is serious about anything. You are just harboring. Roger
ironically goes along in unethically cozening himself of being
controversially victorious. He's truly impacted with tremendous mental
instability. Some may have wondered why have I been learning English?
Well, I unfortunately didn't learn English to be civilly manipulated.
Moreover, I didn't learn this foreign language to weakly give in to
imperialism and colonisation. When France colonised Algeria, Tunisia
and Morocco, it nullified the use of Arabic and gradually forced the
use of French onto the public. I confute total compliance to the west.
If I am learning English, what are you learning so far? Well, this is
enough for now. I'm going to distort your lives and turn your sleep
into abysmally perturbing nightmares. You could insult as much as you
wish. Roger, you could delude yourself with being counterfeitly
triumphant. It makes you relatively feel good. I'm pitiful to each and
everyone here. People here are seniors, they spend much of their time
thoughtlessly. Seniors in Egypt and Muslim countries in general are
regularly visited and often taken care of by their children. They
aren't ruthlessly left behind in retiring shelters or at home on
their own. In essence, that's the major difference between our two
cultures. That's the spirit of Islam which you are repulsively
attempting to denounce and denigrate with exercising impenitent and
toxic notions. You just hear about Islam in the media. I rather live
according to its merciful tenets. You are indoctrinated with typical
stereotype that is unfairly disseminated about Islam in mass media.
You are emotionally distraught I'm afraid. Ah by the way, two former
members of Da'ish until now turned out to be citizens of Great Britain
and the United States of America. Hello?
Mustafa, someone who isn't submissive to westerns and that's why he is
hated and demonised.
On 2/22/19, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As my old buddy Billy Bob would say, "It's a royal pissing match".
Actually, back when I was a fire breathing, one horned member of the
National Federation of the Blind, I became rather pushy regarding,
"The One and True Way" to be a Blind Guy. Looking back, I credit most
of this to my youth and high level of testosterone.
Should Mostafa live to be over 80, he too might settle down. If...
Carl Jarvis
On 2/21/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
As a matter of fact, Mostafa's English has noticeably improved since he
showed up here. But we should be asking why he wanted to learn English
in the first place. It appears to me that the whole point of learning
English was to be able to harass English speaking people with his
religion. And speaking of harassing people with religion, I have been
thinking of something. You will remember that I said that all of the
people who harass others with their religion that I have encountered
until Mostafa have been Christians. I also once said that if I had a
choice of being stranded on an abandoned island with either an
evangelical Christian or a Jew I would take the Jew without hesitation.
I have never had a Jew beat me over the head with his or her religion.
Most Christians don't either, but the only ones who have ever done so
were still Christians. Well, I could have said the same thing about
Muslims as I did about Jews. I can't say that I have known very many
Muslims, but I have known a few and not one ever tried to beat me over
the head with their religion. They were actually rather pleasant people.
But it still remains that I have not known a whole lot of Muslims. I
find that I keep running into clues that the frequency of religious
harassers among Muslims just might be even greater than among
Christians. One of those clues is Mostafa himself. I suppose I don't
have to describe how he is a clue. You are witness to his behavior. But
before Mostafa I think I ran into another Muslim like him on the
Internet. I was browsing email lists once and came across one on the
subject of the Qur'an. It was run by some guy in Egypt, but it was not
Mostafa. That wouldn't be Mostafa's style anyway. Mostafa doesn't start
an email list and let people who are interested subscribe. Mostafa
chases down people who are not interested and forces it on them. But I
was curious, so I subscribed. It was an announce only list and it
consisted of a daily passage from the Qur'an with commentary, commentary
threatening eternal burning to anyone who did not accept the passage or
the commentary as absolute truth. After a while I got tired of it and
unsubscribed. The next day I found myself subscribed again. I
unsubscribed and was resubscribed again. No matter how many times I was
unsubscribed I kept being put back on the list. Then I sent a polite
note to the list owner asking that I be unsubscribed and I got an answer
telling me that he was going to keep me subscribed to the list because I
needed the lessons he was providing in order to save myself from the
fire. I went around and around with him over this a number of times. I
finally got unsubscribed, but it took threatening to report him to the
administrator of the hosting site for list owner abuse to do it. Doesn't
that sound a lot like Mostafa? Other clues come through too. When I
consume bourgeois news I try to maintain my awareness of their biases,
but things still get through that I will count as clues. Just as one
example out of many, the habit that DAESH has of beheading unbelievers,
including beheading fellow Muslims who do not happen to belong to just
the right brand of Islam, is a very big clue right there. I can
criticize the Westborough Baptist Church for their obnoxious behavior,
but I don't have a strong expectation that they will try to whack off my
head for it. But one thing is certain. Whether Mostafa would resort to
beheading and torture or not, he is not a very good advertisement for
Islam.
---
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an open
mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody who
says
everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and never
mind
the fallibility of all the human beings involved?”
― Carl Sagan
___
On 2/21/2019 3:35 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Hi Richard,
Actually, I would hope Mostafa continues posting. How else can we
expect to "train" him? Mostafa is a cocky young fellow, very full of
himself. I actually admire him for his commitment toward improving
his English. I gather from his many posts that he feels he has a
mission to tell us that his Faith is the only true Faith, and all else
is of the Evil One...or something like that. As an Agnostic(Roger has
yet to convert me to Atheism) I become a bit bored by the hair
splitting over what I consider to be Fairy Tales. I would rather
learn how life is for a young blind man living in Egypt. But much of
the time I simply apply my trusty delete finger. I should add that I
suspect that Mostafa is not too open to learning about the more
Progressive side of America, or he would have modified some of his
tirades.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/21/19, R. E. Driscoll Sr <llocsirdsr@xxxxxxx> wrote:
All on this list-a question-Do you suppose this means Mustafa is going
to
stop contributing to our list? Wouldn’t that be a good thing?
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 21, 2019, at 2:53 AM, Mostafa Almahdy
<mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Your degree was awarded? So, you are not actually certified, you've
just been granted a certificate. It isn't my role to get it. Go to the
college there or whatever and get me a soft-copy of your alleged
qualification. Plus, why don't you have a copy at home? If you do,
scan it to me and send it out. I want to know what it says. If you are
truthful about it, display it to me here. And, you had the Koran and
never read it and didn't open the video I sent about black holes in
the Koran. Hmm, look, I really have no time to waste with you. You've
exercised prejudice to excuse yourself for not reading the Koran when
you had it and, didn't open the video because you claim it's all based
on interpretation and the ridiculous fustian you just kept uttering.
Roger, I seriously feel pitiful for you. Look, you just need to go and
see a well attested mental therapist. I'm sure there are plenty of
those working in West Virginia. Have you been missing Joe the nasty?
Don't worry, I brought him to you. I am happy that I caused this
hellion to leave the list. Aren't you the moderator? Well, you could
block me if you are offended with what I preach. Listen carefully now,
I knew from the beginning that you weren't interested in proper
discussion or so ever. You just wanted to purposelessly fence. I knew
you are not educated, even if you robustly attempt to pretend
otherwise. My time is precious to be wasted uselessly arguing a
miserably dumbfounded US senior. You just need to solve your mental
problems. I'm not held accountable if you ache mental instability. I
still haven't had my second question answered, what's your proof for
the claim that Muhammad wrote the Koran? Remember, you must cite a
reference because it's my major. Thence, I have the right to
investigate the validity of your claim. Despite your opinion on
religion, I still have the right to scholarly refute your gravely
treacherous and unstudious rhetoric. What people in the list are you
talking about? This list is full of respectful senior blind citizens
from the States. They are educated, civilised and culturally, they're
all-encompassing. As they might not be so occupied in their daily
lives, they spend much of their time posting to the list. Many of
their posts are respectful, of political nature, intriguing and
entertaining. Honestly, no one here except you and the foregone Joe
whom I call the nasty haven't been focused on deliberately sniping me.
I never had this clash with anyone here except with you, and Joe the
nasty whom you ostensibly sympathise with. I urge you to just take a
chill pill. There's no need to be so awful and outraged. I understand
that you live on your own. Consequently, you might feel a bit
unsocial. Go find yourself a motive to be positive. You are
psychologically impaired and I feel sorry for you.
On 2/20/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Again, my degree in biology was awarded by West Virginia State
College
in 1978. It is now known as West Virginia State University. They
should
still have my records and you are welcome to look them up. As for the
Qur'an, I have not read it. I used to have a copy of it on tape
around
here, but I never got around to it and sent it back to my library. I
think it is on BARD and I may get around to it yet. I have never
completely read the bible either, but I got through most of it back
when
I was fourteen years old. On the level that we are discussing it I
really don't have to. I also have never read the works of
Nostradamus,
but I don't need to do that either. I am very well aware of how it is
distorted. Someone will claim that Nostradamus predicted a certain
event
and then quote the passage where he did that. It always turns out to
say
nothing even close to what is being claimed. What they do is to
impose
interpretations on it to make it say what they want it to say. It
still
says what it says though. I have seen the same thing done with the
bible. For well over a thousand years now people have been claiming
that
the bible predicted the current political situation and that it
portends
the end of times. Then a reading of the passage shows that it says no
such thing and that the claimant has simply imposed an interpretation
on
it. That is very similar to what you do to my words. You claim that I
say things that I simply did not say. Now, I did not bother to click
the
link that you provided about the Qur'an predicting black holes
because
I
expected it to be the same pseudo scientific nonsense that I keep
encountering. What I was referring to was a discussion group on
where someone made the claim that the Qur'an predicted black holes
and
offered the specific passage as proof. I now do not remember what it
said exactly. I only remember something about smoke. I also remember
that it said nothing about black holes. It said what it said and no
amount of interpreting will change what it said. Now, as for my
problem
with you, Mostafa, I have been beset with people like you for nearly
my
whole life. Well, I met my first one when I was twelve years old.
Until
you came along they have all been Christians, but you show pretty
clearly that the difference between you and those Christian jerks is
a
difference that makes no difference. You insist on beating everyone
over
the head with your religion. No matter what the topic and no matter
how
unrelated the topic is to your religion you insist on working it in.
You
are completely intolerant of the viewpoints of others. I show
logically
how you are wrong and point out specifically your logical fallacies
and
instead of correcting your mistakes you throw tantrums. You brag
about
your morals and hold yourself up as so superior to all others because
you are so moral. So what if you gave up flirting over the Internet?
That was so laughable for you to hold yourself up as some moral
paragon
for something like that. This is arrogance and your insistence that
you
have all the answers is supreme arrogance. Yet you want to call other
people arrogant. As for freedom of speech, I am the official
moderator
of this email group. I have never disallowed any post you have ever
made. You have even chased off at least one group member. That was
Joe.
When you showed up preaching he asked me to remove him and he has
been
gone ever since. He specifically asked me to remove you and when I
declined he left because he did not care to have religion shoved down
his throat especially right after his parents died. I don't know who
else might have removed themselves because of you, but I do know that
this group used to be larger. But I still have allowed you your
freedom
of speech and have not censored anything you have ever said on this
list. I do know that many other across the Internet have blocked you
or
attempted to block you because of your unwanted and persistent
preaching. I would like to see you up against the bible thumpers who
have harassed me over the years. I would like to think that you would
show each other what it is like to be one of your victims, but I
expect
that both you and the fanatic Christians would be so wrapped up in
shoving each of your brands of superstition down each other's throats
that neither you nor them would even think about the fact that you
were
experiencing what you have always imposed on others. I am a bit
different than others though. I fight back. I show you up for what
you
are. I present your logical fallacies to everyone and when you throw
your tantrums I just allow you to do it and make a fool of yourself
in
front of everyone. I am not going to say, though, that I have never
turned tail and run away. I will tell you a story about what some
people
like you did to me. They were just like you except that they were
Christians. I was sitting on a bench in front of the public library
once
just minding my own business and listening to the people walk by.
Eventually I could tell that there were some people nearby who were
handing out religious tracts. Inevitably one of them approached me. A
woman stood in front of me offering a tract to me. I told her that
she
need not bother to give me a tract because I was blind and couldn't
read
it anyway. She then sat down beside me and tried to tell me that I
could
read one particular tract because it had pictures in it. I am sure
that
I had told her that I was blind, not that I was illiterate, but these
kind of people are never interested in listening to anyone but
themselves. I finally got the message across and she was standing in
front of me again when she asked me if I knew Jesus. In all honesty,
I
have never known anyone named Jesus and I have even known a number of
Hispanics. But I was not in a mood to make fun of her and so I just
said
simply that I was an atheist. It was like throwing a lit match on a
pool
of gasoline. Suddenly she snapped at me, "What has your nongod ever
done
for you!" She asked the question in an extremely hateful tone of
voice.
I did not have time to point out to her what a stupid question it
was.
She stomped away. I could hear her shoes slapping the sidewalk and if
she had slapped them any harder I think I would have felt the
sidewalk
shaking. Very quickly she was back with a man. Without preamble he
started screaming over me praying for me. That was right in the
middle
of the downtown area and all I had been doing was minding my own
business. I decided that it was time for me to leave. I flipped out
my
white cane and started tapping down the sidewalk. He followed me
still
screaming. I got to the corner and had to listen for traffic and that
was rather hard to do because he still did not stop screaming.
Nevertheless, I managed to cross the street hoping that he would not
follow me across. Fortunately he did not, but he still continued to
scream at me that god had struck me blind because I had turned my
back
on Jesus. By the way, he pronounced the word Jesus with the first
syllable stretched out considerably. Mostafa, you are the same kind
of
person. You are intolerant of the views of others and you persist on
pushing religion on everyone no matter what. But even after having
described what kind of person you are I want to offer you the hope
that
you can change. I will say the same thing I said to a couple of
Mormons
who came to my door once. You do not have to do this. You really
don't.
You can turn your back on ignorance and superstition and make
something
of yourself. You do not have to harangue people with that
superstition.
You do not have to try to spread the ignorance. You can make the
decision to educate yourself. You can, by your own decision, make
yourself a better person, a person who can contribute to humanity, a
person who does not make himself unwelcome. But you have to make the
decision and begin to work at it. I invite you to try.
---
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with an
open
mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody
who
says
everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and
never
mind
the fallibility of all the human beings involved?”
― Carl Sagan
___
On 2/19/2019 9:45 PM, Mostafa Almahdy wrote:
Roger, don't flee my questions. Where did you get your information
about the Koran and prophet Muhammad from? Don't attempt to change
the
subject, even if I am as bad as you claim, still, answer my
questions.
Your alleged degree in biology is doubted until you present it to me
in physical form. Isn't that your logic?, that you don't believe in
something that hasn't been empirically examined? Well, even if the
whole world saw your averred qualification in Biology, I still have
the right to verify your claim myself. Roger, your gravely impacted
with self-delusion. I therefore urge you to speedily seek mental
therapy. There are many of these services available in your country
as
plenty of people get deranged periodically therein. It isn't my prob
that you are rationally misted. You may need to double check your
intelligence quotient rate. Despite your opinion of what I am doing,
I
have the right to express my views on the internet or wherever. Even
if you consider this harassment or bullying, I still have the right
to
demonstrate my perspective in the manner I deem appropriate. Isn't
that the practical definition of first amendment that is principally
bound to your country's prestigious constitution? Even if it wasn't,
I
still have the right to present myself independently, without
intimidation or unnecessary flattery. I still, await your answers mr
edified, where did you get your information about the Koran and
prophet Muhammad from? You're reminding me of Floridian pastor Terry
jones, when he arrogantly desecrated the Koran out of malice
hitherto,
he ironically confessed that he never read the Koran. You're exactly
doing the same thing but in somewhat a different way. You are free
to
consider all religions mythical or whatever, but, you do not have
moral grounds to attempt to deceive us with exercising sophistry. In
spite of the fact that you haven't commented nor even mentioned the
video I cited in my previous post about the mention of black holes
in
the Koran, I still need to know your source of information about
prophet Muhammad and the Koran. First off, I am a devout Sunni
Muslim.
Second, theology and Islamic theology to be even more specific is
basically my major. These two basic contentions are vitally
sufficient
to ask you for citation. I ask you and anyone here to respect my
specialty. This list is not established to discuss faith related
issues. I knew that but, if you just look at the title of this post,
it was meant to discuss the racial crisis in the United States.
Roger
insisted to turn this into faith debate. He did the same thing when
I
wrote about the Saudi girl who fled to Canada for fame and had been
used for essentially political purposes by the Canadian government.
I'm not sure, why is he insisting to enter in a heated clash with
me?
I don't force my views on others. At the same time, I have no
intention to hide them because they are simply part of me, my
culture
and what I represent. Am I expected to falsely be somehow
americanised
in my character to be tolerated? Frankly, it's surreal that I'll
ever
be civilly manipulated. I won't ever forgive someone who attempts to
practice skullduggery with me. I am not disingenuous. I speak at
what
I fathom. I have no intention to be cozened by some bunch of
intellectually decedent individuals. We knew that America's mission
in
the Middle East is to protect Israel. It therefore pays Egypt,
Jordan
and other Arab nations as they establish relationships with the
Zionist entity and had forgotten the rightly deserved defying combat
to emancipate our land. This is why I consider all Arab leaders
including the one of my country to be absolute traitors and thence,
are wholly destined to mass execution if I am to justly prosecute
them. I am just demonstrating to you my perfect awareness of what's
going on. In doing so, I knew what America is. Even if you all
criticise Trump and what he does, you're not so innocent. There are
continuous attempts led by American organisations and individuals to
culturally manipulate as many young people of our countries and turn
them to distorted copies. So, they are not proper Muslims nor they
are
recognised in your social arena. They have just gone astray. I am
here
to protect our younger generations from your vicious connivance to
utterly demolish our heritage and identity. Young Muslims are your
target and inshAllah, it won't ever be reached. I surely do not
incite
hate speech. I am just asking you to stay away from our religion.
Don't you think it's filled with backwardness, savagery, violence
etc, fine, just stay away and, don't talk unless you have a
reference.
If you don't present one, you'll be asked for it. So, it's better to
keep your mouth shut and save your dignity eh? All fields are
entitled
to be viewed by their honourable specialists except Islam. It's to
be
talked about by anyone, even if he weighs zero in the scale of
scholarship. Sorry, that's no longer acceptable. Either you speak
with proper knowledge or just shut up. Is that clear?
On 2/19/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mostafa, I clearly remember you saying that you wanted to engage in
a
civil discussion. Then why is it that whenever you are presented
with
an
argument you cannot refute you fall back on these ad homenum
attacks?
Making insults do not make your position look very good. And, by
the
way, I was awarded a degree in biology from West Virginia State
College
in 1978. The institution is now known as West Virginia State
University.
Also, I have never been a Christian. I havwe never turned away from
faith. I have always had enough sense to not base any belief I have
ever
had on faith and it really kind of astounds me that you or anyone
else
can be so gullible as to do so. Now, what is your motivation? Why
do
you
get on the Internet to harass people with your religion? Why do you
want
to make yourself so unpopular? Why do you want to make yourself
look
so
foolish by claiming that you believe in supernatural beings
including
flying horses? Why do you hold yourself up as some kind of superior
being because you are so gullible that you believe in silly
mythology?
Why do you insist on alienating other people? Look inwardly,
Mostafa.
There must be some reason that it is so important to you to show
yourself to be a person with such bad character.
---
Carl Sagan
“Who is more humble? The scientist who looks at the universe with
an
open
mind and accepts whatever the universe has to teach us, or somebody
who
says
everything in this book must be considered the literal truth and
never
mind
the fallibility of all the human beings involved?”
― Carl Sagan
___
On 2/19/2019 5:02 AM, Mostafa Almahdy wrote:
Roger, every now and then, you're proving to me that you're so
pitiable. Apart from the fact that you are not a specialist, your
claim of holding a degree in Biology seems to be counterfeit. You
haven't referenced one reliable nor even unreliable source for
these
emptily statements. You've just talked nonsensically.
Embryologists,
who are competent in the field, affirm that the description of
conceptus in the Koran which was revealed in the seventh century
perfectly fits with today's medical discoveries. Furthermore, they
say
it was absolutely impossible for anyone at that time, no matter
where
they lived, to know the minimum of these precise specifications of
the
human embryo inside the womb, because microscopes, which are
necessary
instruments to observe such tiny objects were not yet invented.
Roger, the fraudulently edified negates these plainly stunning
facts.
Further amazingly, he doesn't present the least of evidence for
his
so
stupid argument. You are an abrupt empiricist. Drink warm milk and
just calm down. I just want you to feel good with yourself. Why do
you
insist to be so idiot? Don't worry, I have got good news for you.
The
Koran talks about black holes. Allah swans at the beginning of
chapter
fifty-three with the star as it falls. This video matters to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YON6T4v697U This video cites the
mention of black holes in the Koran. How many time am I going to
defeat you so flawlessly? This is enough for Roger the daft. Carl,
comparing me to Trump the scoundrel is utterly intolerable. Your
unpleasant experience with false instance of faith resembles your
current crisis. There is grave antipathy toward faith in general
within western culture and society. Here, the matter is different.
I
could go on with referencing scientific signs within the text of
the
Glorious Koran. The Koran was revealed at time when human
understanding of the nature of the cosmos and the movement or the
stillness of the heavenly bodies was extremely primitive and
obscure.
This is no longer the case, as our knowledge of the universe has
considerably advanced and expounded at the present age. Some of
the
theories relating to the commencement of the universe have been
verified as facts, whereas some others are still being explored.
The
concept of the expanding universe belongs to the former category
and
has been universally accepted by the scientific community as fact.
United States astronomer, Edwin Hubble discovered that as the
universe
expands, the speed with which nebulae recede increases with their
distance from the observer. This scientific breakthrough was
initially
divulged at almost the quarter of the past century. Nonetheless,
the
Koran has recorded this scientific fact fourteen hundred centuries
earlier. Allah says this in the Koran: "And the heaven We
constructed
with strength, and indeed, We are its expander." This is the Noble
Koran, chapter fifty-one, verse fourty-seven. Hmm, do you still
assume
science as your defender? Each and everyone of you started out as
Jew
or Christian. Thence, your journey of abandoning faith gradually
began. Whether you are Atheist or agnostic, both are two different
states of the same phenomenon. If you ask any of those, do you
believe
in a supernatural force that controls the universe? He'll just
say
I
don't know. However, if you ask the same person, do you believe in
God? He'll say no. So, even as they define themselves, they are
demonstratively fallacious. It isn't my prob that you had been
struck
with appalling experience regarding religion. My faith urges me to
reutilise my intellectual factor to the sufficient paramount.
Hiding
behind science and empty philosophy is no longer protective to any
of
you. You're so vulnerable to rational resignation. Now, Roger
allegedly claimed that prophet Muhammad wrote the Koran. I want
him
to
present me the least of decisive evidence for that. How did
Muhammad
who lived at the heart of Arabia in the seventh century learn
about
the expanding universe? If prophet Muhammad was educated, where is
your attested witness? All reliable references that are pertained
to
study the biography of Muhammad the prophet tell us in an unbroken
consensus, that the man never went to school nor he ever received
scientific training. So, present to us the opposite if you have
the
proof of it. I demand scholarly rhetoric rather than haphazard
talk.
You may possibly regenerate your tediously sedentary lifestyle
with
engaging in such useful activities. This list desperately demands
to
be thoroughly disciplined. Well, I'm here to cope with this task.
As
my questions are so clear, I want even clearer answers. I may
generously spare some of my precious time to read these
nonsensical
notions that are emerging in your intemperately imbecilic heads.
Because my life is meaningful, I have to go now. I have life to
live.
I have things to do. I have real people to communicate with. Watch
out
for the next crack down on stupidish Atheism, agnosticism or
whatever
it might be, damn.
On 2/17/19, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mostafa,
For the record, I do not hate Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism,
or
any of the many religions adopted by Man to attempt to explain
this
small remote planet in this vast place we call the Universe.
Nor do I hate Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy or Winnie the Poo.
As
I
grew up and left behind the children's stories, and came to
understand
that little Elves did not make toys at the North Pole, I moved on
to
interesting stories about Greek and Roman Gods. What a wild and
crazy
bunch of super beings those characters were.
As a young man, I embraced Christianity and experienced it first
hand,eventually finding it to be just one more of the fables
spread
by Men. And of course the major religions of the World are
promoted
and controlled by Men. From the time we Humans were hiding in
caves,
or swinging from trees, or roving the land in bands of hunters
and
gatherers, the male has dominated through brute strength. But,
as
Bob
Dylan sings, "The times they are a changing", and women have
attained
equal footing with men in their ability to survive and to protect
their families. Yet, we continue to mindlessly worship a God out
of
the past. God at the top, then Men, then Women and Children.
And
because Men tell us that this was God's Perfect Plan, those who
buy
into any of these ancient beliefs are trapped into accepting it
without question.
Religions trap us into accepting the concept that there is a
superior
intelligence. We carry this concept over into our own social
structures. We look for a strong, firm, all knowing leader. And
what
we get are dictators, kings, and ruthless war lords. Men who
manipulate us for their own greedy desires.
But I understand that I'll never convince you that you are part
of
the
problem, just as surely as Donald Trump is part of the problem.
If we humans cannot move away from the Pyramid Structure that we
currently believe in, we are doomed. We are living in a Past
World
Order that will destroy us.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/17/19, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well Roger, we could at least agree, that in many religions
including
the one I proudly belong to, people ignorantly associate
superstitious
notions with genuine religious concepts. The Noble Koran is
wholly
inerrable. It contains medicinal information that could have
never
been discovered in the seventh century. This is the timeframe
during
which the Koran was revealed. Let us have a look at the Koranic
description of an embryological aspect. What are the consecutive
phases of the human embryo development inside the womb? Here is
a
quoted English translations of a Koran book called the book of
the
believers. Allah says what could be rendered in English as
follows:
"And surely we created man from an extract of clay. Then We
placed
him
as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging. Then We made the sperm-drop
into
a
clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump and We made
the
lump
into bones and We clothed the bones with flesh. We then
developed
him
into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of
creators."
This is a brief citation of the Koranic mention of human embryo
in
the
womb. This is book of the believers numbered the twenty-third in
a
regular Koranic index, verses twelve to fourteen. Does the
science
today concur with what the Koran mentions? Embryologists said
yes.
I
urge you to look up a prominent physician who specializes in
Embryology, his name is Keith Moore. He confirms that what the
Koran
mentions about the human embryo in the womb is incisively
accurate.
He
adds, that what the Koran says about the human embryo
development
could have not been empirically examined in the seventh century.
Many
key facts of what the Koran mentions haven't been empirically
unveiled
unless recently. Microscopes initially had been invented in the
seventeenth century. But, they were relatively primitive.
Therefore,
significant information haven't been recorded in the field of
Embryology. In earlier years of the twentieth century,
microscopes
incredibly ripened and hence, were sufficiently reliable. Haters
of
the Koran claim that we, the Muslims, bribed Prof Moore to
falsely
praise the Koran. Well, apart from the fact that they haven't
presented the least of evidence to swan into this alleged
impeachment,
why would he need to accept money from relatively developing
countries? He resides in Canada and held the chair of Medicine
at
Toronto university for many years. So, he is socially
prestigious
and
financially prosperous. Fair-minded people do not say but what
is
true. The man has just learned that the Koran speaks something
that
is
fully matching with today's scientific advancement. He also
admitted,
that what the Koran says here couldn't be rationally interpreted
but
a
divine revelation. Everything I say here is authenticated and
thence
,
could be conveniently checked out. I respectfully urge Roger and
others to tell me, if science could have not discovered what the
Koran
says about the human embryo development in the seventh century,
how
did Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him come up with this
critical set of information? How did he know? We knew, that
prophet
Muhammad was completely illiterate during his entire life.
People
couldn't now elude the truth. Well, haters of Islam would still
say,
the Koran somewhat got hallucinated in Muhammad's head. I would
like
to ask them to present a convincing explanation of this heavily
vacuous statement. So again, Roger, you couldn't hide behind the
wall
of science to deny faith. The latter doesn't contravene with
modern
scientific development. You have to quick counterfeitly
exercising
allegiance to science to justify your hate of religion. Just
say,
science may not necessarily contradict with faith related
concepts
but
I just hate religions. If you say that, I will radically respect
you,
even though I'd sternly dissent with you. As someone who has a
degree
in Biology, I urge you to spare some of your time to study the
proposition I presented here. I wish I am not encountered with
emptily
typical and unnecessary sophistry. I pray that Roger may not
meet
my
expectations this time. The lecture of Dr Keith Moore on
Embryology
in
the Koran is available on Youtube. If you need any help with
this
research process, please, don't hesitate to contact me.
On 2/16/19, Mostafa <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:--
Racism is the prejudice that members of one race are
intrinsically
superior to members of other races. While the United States is
allegedly said to be the transcendent nation of recognising
human
rights, it incessantly aches the intolerable expenditure of
racial
disparity. Malcolm X was a civil right leader. At the beginning
of
his
life, he joined Nation of Islam. It was a racialist movement
that
professed and advocated for black people emancipation in the
United
States. After he returned from Haj, he disposed the membership
of
Nation of Islam. This movement's emergence was a natural
consequence.
As black people were relentlessly plagued, a racialist movement
egressed. Because of his darker complexion, he is often
referred
to
as
Malcolm little. Americans are so proud of Abraham Lincoln's
decision
to wholly emancipate slaves. While this is ostensibly exulting,
it
is
inwardly problematic. He delt with the symptom and disposed the
disease. Slavery is the symptom and racial disparity is the
disease.
This crucial fact hasn't yet been fathomed in modern America.
During
the sixties of the last century, when Eisenhower was president,
there
was drinking fountains for only white people. Black people
couldn't
have access to them. In spite of unproved claims of racial
equality,
African Americans encounter discrimination on virtually a daily
basis.
This negative phenomenon is conspicuously notorious in Trump's
era.
Donald Trump has exceedingly been uttering direly racialist
remarks.
Recently, he fended for a racist ad about migrants caravan. He
uttered
xenophobically pertained inputs during many of his ardent
rallies.
Donald Trump delivered crude remarks when he called Haiti and
African
nations shithole countries during White House bipartisan
meeting
on
immigration January last year. Consequently, a mass
condemnation
has
intemperately been ensued. Nevertheless, neither Trump nor his
staff
apologised. They just denied the case. Donald Trump is formally
indicted of viciously misleading his own people. I have been
told
not
to criticise the United States by a senior pastor of Jefferson
Baptist
Church. With all respect to this, I am not to be told what to
do
or
say. I am free to openly speak my mind the manner I deem
appropriate.
You are free to consider Donald Trump a fulfillment of biblical
prophecy. Nonetheless, I simultaneously reserve the right to
consider
this tremendously preposterous. Isn't that the implicated
definition
of free expression in American culture? Before you respond to
this
thread, you may first consider the subsequent major factor. I'm
not
to
be civilly defeated or manipulated. I say this each time I send
a
mass
post to confirm my firm allegiance to my heritage and identity.
If
you
respect my upbringing, we certainly would be tight friends.
Even
if
we
radically dissent on critical issues, we could still be decent
to
each
other. That's my motto: don't hate, educate. Our fate is to
integrate.
Nevertheless, there are some people who wish to incessantly
denigrate
our heritage and identity. They arrogantly insist to
americanise
our
character. If we don't defer to them, we are instantly
derogated
and
demonised. I emphatically despise this superior disposal. The
United
States is on the decline in Trump's chaotic age. The currently
erupted
conflict over border wall funding is indispensably of America's
core
racial crisis. This social defect has been longly neglected. It
has
now been plainly brought to the surface. Thence, a national
emergency
has been officially declared over border wall funding. Two days
prior
to that, Trump arranged a massive rally in El Paso Texas.
Therein,
he
spoke to his wittingly indoctrinated protagonists. One of his
remarks
that was incomparably ludicrous when he said in inquisitive
fashion,
"Is there anyplace that's more fund to be than a Trump rally?".
That's
absolutely absurd. I tell southern evangelists who're mainly
receiving
this post, you have to wake up and smell the coffee. Your
hellion
chief's alleged patriotism is at stake. Your whitened
temperament
has
paved the damnable path for broadly racialist emersion across
the
nation. The conservative camp has been conspicuously notorious
of
barefacedly colluding with pro Zionist entities. At the buckle
of
the
Bible Belt, typical evangelists denounce Islam out of grave
malice.
But why? Well, first off, Islam resembles a major threat to
Church
eminence and precedence. Whenever you ask pastors about the
explicit
statement where Jesus says I'm God worship me or where he says,
I'm
going to die for your sins, they naturally start to palter.
Islam
has
the ever plainly sentiment of pure monotheism and sincere
submission
to the Creator glory be to Him. Haters of Islam primarily rely
on
misconceptions and preconceived notions to relentlessly defame
Islam.
One of the easiest things for them to say, Islam isn't a
religion
of
peace. Well, neither it's a religion of war. War and peace are
two
separate situations that Islam has crystal clear jural tenets
for.
I
have been repeatedly demanding pastors to courageously interact
with
me. Well unfortunately, they never return my proposal for one
obvious
reason. They intensely reject the truth. So, to give you a
brief
introduction about Islam, it is an entire way of life. It
basically
consists of rights to the Creator and rights to the creation.
Rights
to Creator, you have got to worship Him alone, without
asssociating
partners with Him. That includes establishing the prayer,
paying
Zakat
which is almsgiving if your wealth meets certain requirements,
fasting the month of Ramadan as soon as you become adult and to
make
pilgrimage to the Holy site of Mecca where the Caaba is
enshrined
at
least once in your life, again, if certain social and financial
prerequisites were met. Note, Muslims do not idolise the Caaba.
They
rather honour it as the sanctuary of the divine on earth. It
is
a
symble of monotheistic faith. Therefore, it has been determined
by
Allah glory be to Him to face it while praying, no matter where
you
were in the globe. Islam considers Jesus as the last mighty
apostle
of
God. He is the last mighty messenger in advance of the seal
one,
prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon both of them.
Islam's
adherents are irrevocably enjoined to be humble, respectful.
Concurrently, they are obliged to seek and speak the word of
truth
despite how tough the consequences might turn out to be. Islam
prohibits harming human beings. Islam calls us to correct our
behaviour constantly. No one is perfect nevertheless, no one is
born
sinful either. Human nature is developed to chase temporally
desirable
acts. Worship is designated to gradually elevate the spirit
until
it
reaches the celestial realm. Haters of Islam pervert religious
concepts and traditions to aid promoting their discouraging
propaganda. They never apply something known as fact-finding or
investigatory process. They never dare hosting someone who is a
proper
representer of or genuinely edified about Islam. Instead, they
prejudiciously bring people who're mentally deranged of
irrationally
detesting Islam, paranoiacs. They couldn't feature at least
fair-minded individuals. Their allegedly expert on Islam has to
be
radically fanatic, opprobrious, full of hate and anger toward
Islam.
I
therefore am used to exposing many of those. Some of them are
Arabs
and their vast majority is comprised of westerns.
It
is
not practically potential for me to cover everything about
Islam
here.
Therefore, I urge those who are interested to go farther to
directly
interact with me. You could reply to this message to do so.
Alternatively, we may always schedule a Skype arrangement, if
your
enquiry demands a scholarly thorough response. Thank you so
much
for patiently reading. This is me, Cleric Mustafa, I'm based in
Cairo
Egypt.
(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it
is
a
shoreless ocean.)
--
(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a
shoreless ocean.)
