[blind-democracy] Re: Original Sin

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  • Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 19:53:08 -0400

According to the scriptures? Okay, according to the Harry Potter books wizards ride around on broomsticks. What does any of this have to do with it being true?


On 5/26/2018 3:53 PM, Dan Boone wrote:


Bob,

You write much more eloquently than I do. However, Jesus used simple words to communicate significant meanings, so will I. I have not read most of your posts, but somehow thought I would interject some quick points concerning this one:

_1.)_ _1 Corinthians 15:3-8 has been historically proven to have been written 15-20 years after the resurrection. This has been confirmed by many notable skeptics to be the oldest actual piece of New Testament scripture that has been found. It was also an early Church Creed:_

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born. NIV

We should stop and think about all of the ramifications that would have happened if the above Scripture was not true considering the time it was written and all of the people involved in the statement.

2.) Once a person realizes the perfection of a Holy God, and just how significant that understanding is to the opportunity of eternal life, then the same person will realize why sin had to be extinguished by the propitiation of the One who was both Holy and capable of sinning (the God-Man, Jesus)!!

Dan Boone

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Subject: Original Sin

��� Dear all, peace be with you. Today, we inshAllah are going to critically

readdress the concept of Redemption and Original Sin in Christianity.

Original Sin is basically the backbone, it is the bedrock on which the

doctrines of Redemption and Crucifixion are based. Original sin is the

doctrine that Adam and Eve had offended the divine presence. It is a sin

said to be inherited by all descendants of Adam and Eve as They sinfully ate

from the forbidden tree. That led them to be taken out of� Eden and thence,

had earned their descendance eternal damnation. As Christian Apologists say,

someone had to pay the bill of this mass blasphemy and thus, God sent his

only begotten son to sacrifice himself for the sake of humanity. Whilst this

concept is� apparently�� consistent and chronological,� it is not 
accepted

as it fallaciously seams to be. To this distorted concept, there are

theological and juristic objections. Theologically, this concept is refuted

with the repudiation of condescending the divine to the temporal pursuance.

Those who insist to disgraciously desecrate the divine by falsely

proclaiming that he had to die on the cross for their sins, or that he had

to send his merely begotten son to die for� mass resentment, they desecrate

the divine Omnipotence with imperfection. It essentially depends on whether

you belong to those who consider Jesus as God without internal distinctions,

a Unitarian, or you�re an adherent of Trinitarianism. No one is absolutely

sure of who died� on the Cross or, if there was even a Crucifixion in the

first place. The Christian Epiphany� is reprobated with the Transcendent

Omnipotence of Allah glory be to Him to either atone or penalise without any

discretion. Juristically, this concept is morally inadequate, for what it

incorrectly consents of sanctioning the innocent for the sake of the guilty.

On a judicial� level, justice is conducted with decisive evidence and

incisiveness.� Christian Ministers constantly emphasise on the emotional

aspect of their Redemption chronicle, without paying much attention whether

it matches up to the principles of divine justice. I don�t care how

affectionate the story might sound to be. What matters to me is, how just

this concept is? I want Christian missionary activists to ask a competent

jurist of their domestic residence, is it licitly excusable for you to

punish the innocent on behalf of the guilty who justly deserves retribution?

The conversation is temporarily suspended at this point. The problem lies

over beyond a particular tree that has erroneously been eaten. It worsens

when a particular race is intrinsically depicted as cr�me de la cr�me for

just its texture or complexion. This is what they modernly define as racism.

The United States ranks as the topping racist nation worldwide. Its racial

history is filled with disparity and ethnic secernment. It bases its

purportedly patriotic sentiment on often racial inequality and topical

divergence. That is what we should rather call, Original Sin. Racial acts

are enormously minacious to social stability and coexistence. There shall

not be any tolerance of exerting discriminative practices, either on gender,

ethnic, social or religious basis. That is our everlasting combat as humans,

resembling the unity, peace and safety of our precious species. Islam

doesn't bear our initial parents accountable for Original Sin. It rather

recognises Lucifer to be the first sinner. His trespassing act has involved

committing pride. Consequently, he has been expelled, depressed and

anathemised. As Muslims, we have a totally different concept of� Original

Sin. I wrote about the subject because I believe it is of worth noting.

Thank you for reading, Bob Evans

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