Dear all,
May I please suggest you do not reply all when you reply to "Bob." I have him
blocked so I don't receive his emails, but I receive your replies when you
"reply all." If you feel the need to reply to "Bob," please just reply to him.
Thank you,
Clay
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Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 7:02 PM
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Subject: RE: [blind-democracy] Re: Original Sin
Sorry about the previous piece of an email, my finger slipped on the keyboard.
As I was typing:
I will not take the time here to discuss everything that has been proven by
countless others who have given their lives to study. Please allow me to say
that when one examines the scriptures the same as any other historical
document, the New Testament passes with flying colors. To compare the Christian
Scriptures to something such as a Harry Potter book is silly and shows
absolutely no desire to seek truth.
We only have to prove that the New Testament is true, not that it is of divine
inspiration. The proof that the New Testament is true establishes that Jesus is
who He said He was. I refer you to books or other teaching media written by
people such as:
Josh McDowell
Gary Habermas
Frank Turek
William Craig Lane
N. T. Wright
Lee Strobel
Ravi Zacharias
As well as others if you are truly serious about seeking truth.
Thank you,
Dan Boone
Dan Boone, BCPC, BCACLC
cell 405.203.5012<tel:405.203.5012>
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Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Original Sin
According to the scriptures? Okay, according to the Harry Potter books wizards
ride around on broomsticks. What does any of this have to do with it being true?
On 5/26/2018 3:53 PM, Dan Boone wrote:
Bob,
�
You write much more eloquently than I do. However, Jesus used simple words to
communicate significant meanings, so will I. I have not read most of your
posts, but somehow thought I would interject some quick points concerning this
one:
�
1.) 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 has been historically proven to have been written
15-20 years after the resurrection. This has been confirmed by many notable
skeptics to be the oldest actual piece of New Testament scripture that has been
found. It was also an early Church Creed:
�
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ
died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he
was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared
to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five
hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though
some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles,
8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born. NIV
�
We should stop and think about all of the ramifications that would have
happened if the above Scripture was not true considering the time it was
written and all of the people involved in the statement.
�
2.) Once a person realizes the perfection of a Holy God, and just how
significant that understanding is to the opportunity of eternal life, then the
same person will realize why sin had to be extinguished by the propitiation of
the One who was both Holy and capable of sinning (the God-Man, Jesus)!!
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Subject: Original Sin
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��� Dear all, peace be with you. Today, we inshAllah are going to
critically
readdress the concept of Redemption and Original Sin in Christianity.
Original Sin is basically the backbone, it is the bedrock on which the
doctrines of Redemption and Crucifixion are based. Original sin is the
doctrine that Adam and Eve had offended the divine presence. It is a sin
said to be inherited by all descendants of Adam and Eve as They sinfully ate
from the forbidden tree. That led them to be taken out of� Eden and thence,
had earned their descendance eternal damnation. As Christian Apologists say,
someone had to pay the bill of this mass blasphemy and thus, God sent his
only begotten son to sacrifice himself for the sake of humanity. Whilst this
concept is� apparently�� consistent and chronological,� it is not
accepted
as it fallaciously seams to be. To this distorted concept, there are
theological and juristic objections. Theologically, this concept is refuted
with the repudiation of condescending the divine to the temporal pursuance.
Those who insist to disgraciously desecrate the divine by falsely
proclaiming that he had to die on the cross for their sins, or that he had
to send his merely begotten son to die for� mass resentment, they desecrate
the divine Omnipotence with imperfection. It essentially depends on whether
you belong to those who consider Jesus as God without internal distinctions,
a Unitarian, or you�re an adherent of Trinitarianism. No one is absolutely
sure of who died� on the Cross or, if there was even a Crucifixion in the
first place. The Christian Epiphany� is reprobated with the Transcendent
Omnipotence of Allah glory be to Him to either atone or penalise without any
discretion. Juristically, this concept is morally inadequate, for what it
incorrectly consents of sanctioning the innocent for the sake of the guilty.
On a judicial� level, justice is conducted with decisive evidence and
incisiveness.� Christian Ministers constantly emphasise on the emotional
aspect of their Redemption chronicle, without paying much attention whether
it matches up to the principles of divine justice. I don�t care how
affectionate the story might sound to be. What matters to me is, how just
this concept is? I want Christian missionary activists to ask a competent
jurist of their domestic residence, is it licitly excusable for you to
punish the innocent on behalf of the guilty who justly deserves retribution?
The conversation is temporarily suspended at this point. The problem lies
over beyond a particular tree that has erroneously been eaten. It worsens
when a particular race is intrinsically� depicted as cr�me de la cr�me for
just its texture or complexion. This is what they modernly define as racism.
The United States ranks as the topping racist nation worldwide. Its racial
history is filled with disparity and ethnic secernment. It bases its
purportedly patriotic sentiment on often racial inequality and topical
divergence. That is what we should rather call, Original Sin. Racial acts
are enormously minacious to social stability and coexistence. There shall
not be any tolerance of exerting discriminative practices, either on gender,
ethnic, social or religious basis. That is our everlasting combat as humans,
resembling the unity, peace and safety of our precious species. Islam
doesn't bear our initial parents accountable for Original Sin. It rather
recognises Lucifer to be the first sinner. His trespassing act has involved
committing pride. Consequently, he has been expelled, depressed and
anathemised. As Muslims, we have a totally different concept of� Original
Sin. I wrote about the subject because I believe it is of worth noting.
Thank you for reading, Bob Evans
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