[blind-democracy] Re: Obama Refuses to Pardon Edward Snowden. Trump's New CIA Pick Wants Him Dead.

  • From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2016 14:52:03 -0500

I got my file which whas highly redacted to the point of absurdity years ago. about 1977 or so.

And I've lost it with many moves. But it did show that I was targetted by the "Flint Red Squad" and other entities that were eliminated by the Church Commission, both for my association with groups like the SWP, anti-war groups, and "new left groups", my associations with the Black Panthers were also brought up though it was noted I was white.

In 1976 the FBI did interview my employer at the time, The Genesee Intermediate School District. It was actually the assistant principle at a school for special needs still here in Flint where I worked as an aide. Ironically, or perhaps not so much so they wanted to know of my efforts, sucessful, by the way in organizing all the aids in to a union.

I did get targetted for assult by a biker and informant to the "Flint Red Squad". He tried to literally kick my ass in a parking lot while organizing and he was identified as a direct police informant.

In other words they were still using thugs and that was funded by the notorious couintelpro shit too.

I and others of my ilk were under surveillance on and off for years. And, mind you I was just a little guy; and sort of a free spirit; and a sort of free agent most of the time.

I only, for example was a part of the SWP for a few brief months because, frankly I thought they weren't all tht relevant.

And I really wasn't all that "old left/Marxist". In other words I just wasn't a party liner personally.

(Not a knock on the SWP here, just the facts.)

I was kind of a hybrid sort of anarchical-syndicalist, union organizer, and newlefty with identity politics in mind while at the same time being just a kid and a newlefty type.

I also was noted for working on and for (even for free) some neauvo lefty publications like the Flint Freedom Reader and the Ann Arbor Sun.

But, again from memory what really ticked them off and what really triggerred anything wasn't my associations with tthese outfits, but my anti-Vietnam and anti-Nuclear protesting and associations. And they were quite tame too, though I engaged in protest from my Senior Year, including May Day and Daily Death Tool (about a year later).

And again most of the groups I associated with in these regards included the likes of "pPeace Wattch" and groups associated with Christian Pacisism even though by then I was agnostic.

These were groups loosely aligned with Quakers, Unitarians, and anti-war Catholic orgs. Sheesh. They thought my associations with these groups were more suspect than any associations with the SWP or other so-called radical or Marxist groups.

Man oh man, I wish I had tht file today!

But, big brother was surely watching then and surely is now.

Anymore I don't give a shit either.

Except, for the fact that all the resources spent upon this utter bullshit and childish shit was most stupidly spent and could have been better spent in actually clothing the naked, and feeding the hungry and stuff like that which might well have been a bettergovernmental expenditure than fucking around with a pip-squeak like me/us/ and those behind the tree.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Jarvis" <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Obama Refuses to Pardon Edward Snowden. Trump's New CIA Pick Wants Him Dead.


Exactly so, Roger.  If your name is on "The List", it is due to your
own outspoken self...and the socialist posts and Marxist rhetoric.
As for me!  I'm told that I spend so much time beating around the
bush...or the barn, that anyone scanning my stuff would either fall
asleep or go out for a beer.

Carl Jarvis


On 11/20/16, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have never filed an FOIA inquiry, but I would be surprised if the FBI
didn't have some kind of file on me. And it wouldn't have anything to do
with my father either.


On 11/20/2016 5:00 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
When I have nothing better to think about, I wonder if the FBI has a
red flag by my name, due to my dad's membership in the old American
Communist Party, back in the 30's and 40's.  At 81, a "Life Sentence"
for me could be around 5 to 10 years.
I have never fancied myself as a threat to the Oligarchy, since they
have oodles of agitators and saber rattlers ahead of me, on their
"Most Wanted" list.
And anyway, if they come sniffing around my door, I'll just mention
that my great great uncle was Jefferson Davis.  They will kiss my
cheek and present me with the Confederate Battle Flag.
Awk Tune you all!

Carl Jarvis


On 11/19/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If they start monitoring email lists, we're in for trouble, even people
whose last name is Jarvis.

Miriam

-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:33 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Obama Refuses to Pardon Edward Snowden.
Trump's New CIA Pick Wants Him Dead.

Name after name comes rolling off the Trump pipeline.  Not since
Pandora's
Box has anything looked so ugly.  With the addition of Mike Pompeo,
Trump's
choice for director of the CIA, can there still be those who believe we
are
not in for a major national witch hunt?  Just hope your skin is White
and
your name is something akin to Jones or Smith.

Carl Jarvis(a good old white English name)

On 11/19/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Excerpt: "President Obama Indicated on Friday that he won't pardon NSA
whistleblower Edward Snowden, even as President-elect Donald Trump
announced his pick to run the CIA: Kansas congressman Mike Pompeo, who
has called for 'the traitor Edward Snowden' to be executed."

President Barack Obama. (photo: Getty Images)


Obama Refuses to Pardon Edward Snowden. Trump's New CIA Pick Wants Him
Dead.
By Alex Emmons and Naomi LaChance, The Intercept
19 November 16

  President Obama indicated on Friday that he won't pardon NSA
whistleblower Edward Snowden, even as President-elect Donald Trump
announced his pick to run the CIA: Kansas congressman Mike Pompeo, who
has called for "the traitor Edward Snowden" to be executed.
Pompeo has supported nearly unfettered NSA surveillance, has blamed
Muslim leaders for condoning terror, and is one of the most hyperbolic
members of Congress when it comes to describing the Islamic State,
which he has called "an existential threat to America" and "the most
lethal and powerful terrorist group ever to have existed."
In an interview with Obama published on Friday, German newspaper Der
Spiegel
asked: "Are you going to pardon Edward Snowden?" Obama replied: "I
can't pardon somebody who hasn't gone before a court and presented
themselves, so that's not something that I would comment on at this
point."
But P.S. Ruckman, editor of the Pardon Power blog said Obama is wrong
to suggest he couldn't pardon Snowden if he wanted to. Ruckman noted
that Obama has previously only granted pardons and commutations to
people who have already been convicted. "I just think what he may have
better said is: 'I prefer that he present himself to a court and then
we'll talk turkey.' But technically in terms of the Constitution,
there are no restrictions at all."
The operative Supreme Court ruling, from 1886, states that "The power
of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is
unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence
known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its
commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their
pendency, or after conviction and judgment. The power is not subject to
legislative control."
Obama said that although Snowden "raised some legitimate concerns," he
"did not follow the procedures and practices of our intelligence
community."
Obama also suggested that the debate is between people holding two
extremist
positions: people who "think we can take a 100-percent absolutist
approach to protecting privacy" and "those who think that security is
the only thing and don't care about privacy."
Very few people actually occupy either extreme. But Pompeo, a
three-term congressman and former Army officer, is about as close as
it comes to the latter.
In a 2014 letter, Pompeo accused Snowden of "intentional distortion of
truth that he and his media enablers have engaged in." Pompeo supports
virtually no legal barriers to having the NSA spy on Americans, and
has alarmed civil liberties advocates with many of the positions he
has taken while serving on the House Intelligence Committee. Not only
has he argued that the NSA should resume its phone records program, he
has called on Congress to "pass a law re-establishing collection of
all metadata, and combining it with publicly available financial and
lifestyle information into a comprehensive, searchable database."
"What's needed is a fundamental upgrade to America's surveillance
capabilities," reads a Wall Street Journal piece Pompeo co-wrote in
January.
Pompeo is also a staunch defender of the prison at Guantanamo Bay,
calling it an "important national asset," and repeatedly arguing that
closing the facility would endanger Americans. He has also defended
CIA torturers, saying that "these men and women are not torturers,"
and that "the programs being used were within the law." He called the
exhaustive, 6,000-page Senate torture report "some liberal game being
played by the ACLU and Sen.
Feinstein."
Civil liberties groups immediately expressed concern about Pompeo as
CIA director. The position requires Senate confirmation.
"Congressman Pompeo's positions on bulk surveillance and Guantanamo
Bay also raise serious civil liberties concerns about privacy and due
process," the ACLU said in a statement. "These positions and others
merit serious public scrutiny through a confirmation process. His
positions on mass surveillance have been rejected by federal courts
and have been the subject of several lawsuits filed by the ACLU."
Pompeo has also accused Islamic faith leaders of being "potentially
complicit" in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing. "When the most
devastating terrorist attacks on America in the last 20 years come
overwhelmingly from people of a single faith, and are performed in the
name of that faith, a special obligation falls on those that are the
leaders of that faith,"
Pompeo said in a speech on the House floor. "Instead of responding,
silence has made these Islamic leaders across America potentially
complicit in these acts and more importantly still, in those that may
well follow."
Because numerous Islamic leaders had in fact condemned the attack, the
Council on American Islamic issued a letter calling his remarks "false
and irresponsible," and urged him to publicly correct them.
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President Barack Obama. (photo: Getty Images)
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/18/obama-refuses-to-pardon-edward-sno
wden-t
rumps-new-cia-pick-wants-him-dead/https://theintercept.com/2016/11/18/
obama-
refuses-to-pardon-edward-snowden-trumps-new-cia-pick-wants-him-dead/
Obama Refuses to Pardon Edward Snowden. Trump's New CIA Pick Wants Him
Dead.
By Alex Emmons and Naomi LaChance, The Intercept
19 November 16
  resident Obama indicated on Friday that he won't pardon NSA
whistleblower Edward Snowden, even as President-elect Donald Trump
announced his pick to run the CIA: Kansas congressman Mike Pompeo, who
has called for "the traitor Edward Snowden" to be executed.
Pompeo has supported nearly unfettered NSA surveillance, has blamed
Muslim leaders for condoning terror, and is one of the most hyperbolic
members of Congress when it comes to describing the Islamic State,
which he has called "an existential threat to America" and "the most
lethal and powerful terrorist group ever to have existed."
In an interview with Obama published on Friday, German newspaper Der
Spiegel
asked: "Are you going to pardon Edward Snowden?" Obama replied: "I
can't pardon somebody who hasn't gone before a court and presented
themselves, so that's not something that I would comment on at this
point."
But P.S. Ruckman, editor of the Pardon Power blog said Obama is wrong
to suggest he couldn't pardon Snowden if he wanted to. Ruckman noted
that Obama has previously only granted pardons and commutations to
people who have already been convicted. "I just think what he may have
better said is: 'I prefer that he present himself to a court and then
we'll talk turkey.' But technically in terms of the Constitution,
there are no restrictions at all."
The operative Supreme Court ruling, from 1886, states that "The power
of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is
unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence
known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its
commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their
pendency, or after conviction and judgment. The power is not subject to
legislative control."
Obama said that although Snowden "raised some legitimate concerns," he
"did not follow the procedures and practices of our intelligence
community."
Obama also suggested that the debate is between people holding two
extremist
positions: people who "think we can take a 100-percent absolutist
approach to protecting privacy" and "those who think that security is
the only thing and don't care about privacy."
Very few people actually occupy either extreme. But Pompeo, a
three-term congressman and former Army officer, is about as close as
it comes to the latter.
In a 2014 letter, Pompeo accused Snowden of "intentional distortion of
truth that he and his media enablers have engaged in." Pompeo supports
virtually no legal barriers to having the NSA spy on Americans, and
has alarmed civil liberties advocates with many of the positions he
has taken while serving on the House Intelligence Committee. Not only
has he argued that the NSA should resume its phone records program, he
has called on Congress to "pass a law re-establishing collection of
all metadata, and combining it with publicly available financial and
lifestyle information into a comprehensive, searchable database."
"What's needed is a fundamental upgrade to America's surveillance
capabilities," reads a Wall Street Journal piece Pompeo co-wrote in
January.
Pompeo is also a staunch defender of the prison at Guantanamo Bay,
calling it an "important national asset," and repeatedly arguing that
closing the facility would endanger Americans. He has also defended
CIA torturers, saying that "these men and women are not torturers,"
and that "the programs being used were within the law." He called the
exhaustive, 6,000-page Senate torture report "some liberal game being
played by the ACLU and Sen.
Feinstein."
Civil liberties groups immediately expressed concern about Pompeo as
CIA director. The position requires Senate confirmation.
"Congressman Pompeo's positions on bulk surveillance and Guantanamo
Bay also raise serious civil liberties concerns about privacy and due
process," the ACLU said in a statement. "These positions and others
merit serious public scrutiny through a confirmation process. His
positions on mass surveillance have been rejected by federal courts
and have been the subject of several lawsuits filed by the ACLU."
Pompeo has also accused Islamic faith leaders of being "potentially
complicit" in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing. "When the most
devastating terrorist attacks on America in the last 20 years come
overwhelmingly from people of a single faith, and are performed in the
name of that faith, a special obligation falls on those that are the
leaders of that faith,"
Pompeo said in a speech on the House floor. "Instead of responding,
silence has made these Islamic leaders across America potentially
complicit in these acts and more importantly still, in those that may
well follow."
Because numerous Islamic leaders had in fact condemned the attack, the
Council on American Islamic issued a letter calling his remarks "false
and irresponsible," and urged him to publicly correct them.
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