On 10/4/17, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
First of all, despite constant insistence to the opposite, guns *Do
kill! So do bullets.
What other use are they made for? Yes, a gun never jumps up, loads
itself and goes about firing on innocent people. But neither does an
automobile turn itself on, drink a gallon of Hootch and take off down
the wrong way on a freeway ramp. Guns kill. Cars kill. Knives kill.
Baseball bats kill. What is the difference between any of these
potential weapons? Only guns were made for the specific purpose of
killing. No one ever uses a gun to swing at a baseball or a golf
ball. Nor do we try carving the Thanksgiving Turkey with our rifle.
Although I've had a Turkey or two that might have benefited from being
assaulted by an assault rifle.
So why do we go about denying that guns kill? Well, gun lovers do not
want their toys curtailed. Gun manufacturers do not want their sales
to drop. No one seems to give a Good God Damn about the harm suffered
by People! No, we prefer to buy into believing that we need guns to
protect ourselves. Well, statistics tell us that more accidental
shootings occur in homes that have guns. In my 82 years I have never
had a gun in the house. Neither as a child, nor as an adult. And
there has never been a shooting in any of the many houses and
apartments I've lived in. And I'm still alive.
Nevada is an open carry state. We have to assume that there were many
guns among the attendants at the concert. How well did those guns
protect folks. Have we thought through how effective our little pop
guns would be against an all out attack by enemy forces? Or by our
own military or by our newly militarized police? Pretending that
owning a gun, or a bunch of guns, will protect our Freedom is foolish
wool gathering. It is merely another excuse to protect our owning our
toys.
We can either act now, despite being told to not rock the boat at this
time, or we can wait until enough mass killings take place that
Citizens stop attending concerts, going to shopping malls, attending
public beaches or parks, and staying away from sporting events. When
that happens, the Corporations effected will jump around calling for
changes in the laws. Until then, keep your heads down.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/4/17, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Carl, Bob and all,
Bob, that was a great post. I agree completely with your assessment here.
But I’m not sure how much good increased gun control will do in America
unless we plan to sharply reduce the number of guns in general, very
difficult to do. So, if we put more restrictions in place, there are so
many
guns around that there will be a substantial black market in guns that
may
get banned. And, since this guy showed no signs of violence before the
shooting, stricter background checks would not have stopped him. Still,
Congress ought to at least try to get this situation under control.
No doubt in my mind that this shooting was terrorism. When we hear from
those on the sceen that they're having trouble sleeping, you know that is
terrorism. The shooter was seeking to instill fear in a population and he
has done just that.
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Not again, it is the deadliest mass
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in America's modern history until now
Bob and All,
A very good observation, Bob. Why does the government not call this
horrific crime an act of Terror, instead of calling it Evil? My personal
opinion is that the government is careful as to when to call murder or
acts
of destruction Terrorists acts. If a Muslim or a recent Immigrant commits
a
violent crime, it can be used to turn White Americans against Persons of
Color, or of different Faiths. But the government does not want to have
its
White People to think of White violence as Terror. That might turn the
majority of working class Americans against those White Extremists that
the
government counts on to help direct the thinking of the nation.
How violence is presented makes the difference between it being "good
violence" or, "bad violence". So the uprising by the American Colonists
against England was presented as "good resistance". The young United
States
set out to expand from Sea to Shining Sea. But some people occupied the
land. And they acted as if they believed they owned "Our Promised Land".
So we had to exercise "good violence"
to move them off our land and onto reservations. We labeled these people
as
Red Devils, and Savages. When White men bedded native women, they called
the off-spring, Half Breeds, as if the White men had bred with horses or
cows.
As with the Revolutionary War, the Civil War pitted White men against
White
men. This ugly war pitted two economic systems against one another.
When
it was done and done, and the North had won, notice the different
treatment
of the White losers as opposed to the fate of the Indians? The North
allowed the South to save face by continuing to pretend that the South
would
"rise again". General Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and even old Jefferson
Davis were idolized. Streets and schools and parks were named after
them.
And in time, statues were erected to honor them and to prove that the
"Spirit of the South" was still alive. And rather than punishing the
people
who supported secession and the establishment of a new nation, we
all(Whites) took it out on the newly freed Blacks.
The government, the ruling White Oligarchy, protects the violence of
White
people, when it serves their purposes. So when a White man begins
murdering
people at random, he cannot be labeled as a Terrorist. But in order to
protect "Good White Violence" he must be labeled as Insane, Evil and a
demented demons.
In this way, the Ruling Class is able to continue selling us its Fairy
Story, the one where we all find a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow,
kiss
an ugly frog and watch her turn into a beautiful princess, and return her
to
her powerful father, the King of All the People, and marry her and live
happily ever after. And the Ruling Class always leaves just a little
sliver
of hope. Hope that next election we will have a "People's Champion" ride
in
on a White Stallion and make all our dreams come true.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/2/17, Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello. This is certainly hideous, that is genuinely saddening and
injurious.
Last Sunday night, a demented torpedo opened fire at a consert in Las
Vegas
where he brutally murdered at least fifty nine and atrociously wounded
5 hundred and twenty seven. At its inception, I wholeheartedly offer
my condolences to the grave loss of these innocent souls that have
been taken ruthlessly. My heart mourns and grieves with victim's
families. I unfeignedly implore to Allah glory be to Him, Allah, bless
those who have been grieved with patience and persistence.
Shooter's identification
Shooter was identified as Stephen Paddock, sixty four. Whether he
was abnormal, lunatic, serial murderer, misanthropist or psychopathic,
your dissonance of rectifying gun crisis won't ever be resolved.
Because a Muslim
wasn't affiliated with this mass shooting, Las Vegas massacre hasn't
been treated as an act of terror. However, when a Muslim committed a
lesser mass
shooting at a nightclub in Orlando last year, the incident has been
treated
as an act of terror. This is how disingenuous and hypocritical many
Americans are. Donald Trump called what happened last Sunday night in
Las Vegas an act of pure evil. He hasn't mentioned the term terrorism.
Nevertheless, if the shooter happened to be Muslim, it would have been
listed as an act of terror. Why are Americans so infatuated with guns?
The National Rifle Association is a powerful lobby that advocates the
right to own and bear arms and rejects any gun regulation by the
government. I sternly remonstrate them for these innocent lives that
have been taken carelessly. They truly are hardhearted and pitiless.
My question though, what does really work for the United States? Law
enforcement or lobbyism?
Hasn't your nation been dominated with greed and corporal establishment?
When Obama proposed gun control initiative, he was assaulted by
congressional lobbyists. However, when Trump proposed what seems to be
a discriminative ban act against Muslims, it was approved. Both sought
fending
for national security. As time passes on, the true face of Americanism
unfolds. Many Americans became numb to exercising precautionary
dissimulation. It is a sign of disgrace for any Muslim to be a
greencard bearer. It is incredibly shameful to these people as to how
their practice of double standard is really obvious. Each and every
incident of such callous crimes reveals to us how counterfeit these
people are. I couldn't wish for this to be the last incident.
Unfortunately, as long as greed dominates law enforcement, the
probability of hearing again and again about
similar incidents is assuredly procurable. I still wonder though, how
just one man was able to shoot these people without being instantly
detected?
According to multiple news reports, he killed fifty nine and wounded
five hundred and twenty seven. That's a staggering number. I don't
have specific
stats but, that still is unbelievable. What type of deadly rifle he
shot with? Was this a machine arm? Was this in the context of expressing
warfare?
I am seriously taken aback of what I heard. I am lost for words. I am
not vindictive of what happened, I am just appalled. How could such
incidents be
prevented in the future? First off, honourable congressional members
must hasten to sue the National Rifle Association for implicitly
aiding such unfortunate incidents to broaden. Second, congress must
critically seek unbroken consensus on decisive terms of stiff gun
regulation. This will be attained only if they truly care about
guarding national security. What happened last Sunday night in Las
Vegas was a denotative act of heinous terror. What happened in Orlando
last year was absolutely an act of flagitious terror as well. Despite
whoever committed this and what were his
motives, it was still an act of vicious terror in either case. I am
really disturbed hearing about these terrible incidents deplorably
recurring. I just told my fiance, this has got to stop or they will
just end up shooting
each other in the street one day. Whether you are at a consert, a
grocery store, a movie theatre, an elementary school, a college campus
or even a house of worship, you are threatened with being targeted by
some insane shooter. Therefore, people of intellect must firmly stand
for this. Law enforcement is the definite solution for this longly and
discreditably remaining crisis. I do not intend to interfere. I just
have good friends in
this country and I am concerned about them. I certainly grieve and
mourn what happened. This has been really unfortunate.
Thank you for carefully reading, Bob
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