Yes, but that's in a different category, I think. That's part of how Capitalism
structures society in such a way that poor and working people are in danger at
their work places or where they live, which is now called "environmental
racism". The poorest people live in areas closest to dangerous chemical spills
or pipelines that will leak or in poorly built homes that will easily be
destroyed in hurricanes. You can look at the victims of Katrina in that light.
But all of that is different from a specific plan to kill people with guns on a
specific day.
Miriam.
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[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
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America's modern history until now
Miriam, take a look at the mass killing of poor, female workers at the Triangle
Shirt Factory (100 years ago) by negligent bosses.
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I listened to The Intercepted podcast today and Jeremy Scahill pointed out the
racism in the statement, repeated by every news outlet, including Democracy
Now, that this was the worst mass killing in US history. He listed the mass
killings of black people by white people, and of native Americans by white
people. Apparently, we only count the mass killings when all or most of the
victims are white. I think he mentioned one mass killing of 117 black people in
St. Louis. Or maybe we only count these killings if they're committed by one or
two people, rather than several.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Not again, it is the deadliest mass shooting in
America's modern history until now
First of all, despite constant insistence to the opposite, guns *Do kill! So
do bullets.
What other use are they made for? Yes, a gun never jumps up, loads itself and
goes about firing on innocent people. But neither does an automobile turn
itself on, drink a gallon of Hootch and take off down the wrong way on a
freeway ramp. Guns kill. Cars kill. Knives kill.
Baseball bats kill. What is the difference between any of these potential
weapons? Only guns were made for the specific purpose of killing. No one ever
uses a gun to swing at a baseball or a golf ball. Nor do we try carving the
Thanksgiving Turkey with our rifle.
Although I've had a Turkey or two that might have benefited from being
assaulted by an assault rifle.
So why do we go about denying that guns kill? Well, gun lovers do not want
their toys curtailed. Gun manufacturers do not want their sales to drop. No
one seems to give a Good God Damn about the harm suffered by People! No, we
prefer to buy into believing that we need guns to protect ourselves. Well,
statistics tell us that more accidental shootings occur in homes that have
guns. In my 82 years I have never had a gun in the house. Neither as a child,
nor as an adult. And there has never been a shooting in any of the many houses
and apartments I've lived in. And I'm still alive.
Nevada is an open carry state. We have to assume that there were many guns
among the attendants at the concert. How well did those guns protect folks.
Have we thought through how effective our little pop guns would be against an
all out attack by enemy forces? Or by our own military or by our newly
militarized police? Pretending that owning a gun, or a bunch of guns, will
protect our Freedom is foolish wool gathering. It is merely another excuse to
protect our owning our toys.
We can either act now, despite being told to not rock the boat at this time, or
we can wait until enough mass killings take place that Citizens stop attending
concerts, going to shopping malls, attending public beaches or parks, and
staying away from sporting events. When that happens, the Corporations
effected will jump around calling for changes in the laws. Until then, keep
your heads down.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/4/17, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Carl, Bob and all,
Bob, that was a great post. I agree completely with your assessment here.
But I’m not sure how much good increased gun control will do in
America unless we plan to sharply reduce the number of guns in
general, very difficult to do. So, if we put more restrictions in
place, there are so many guns around that there will be a substantial
black market in guns that may get banned. And, since this guy showed
no signs of violence before the shooting, stricter background checks
would not have stopped him. Still, Congress ought to at least try to get this
situation under control.
No doubt in my mind that this shooting was terrorism. When we hear
from those on the sceen that they're having trouble sleeping, you know
that is terrorism. The shooter was seeking to instill fear in a
population and he has done just that.
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Not again, it is the deadliest mass
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Bob and All,
A very good observation, Bob. Why does the government not call this
horrific crime an act of Terror, instead of calling it Evil? My
personal opinion is that the government is careful as to when to call
murder or acts of destruction Terrorists acts. If a Muslim or a
recent Immigrant commits a violent crime, it can be used to turn White
Americans against Persons of Color, or of different Faiths. But the
government does not want to have its White People to think of White
violence as Terror. That might turn the majority of working class
Americans against those White Extremists that the government counts on to
help direct the thinking of the nation.
How violence is presented makes the difference between it being "good
violence" or, "bad violence". So the uprising by the American
Colonists against England was presented as "good resistance". The
young United States set out to expand from Sea to Shining Sea. But
some people occupied the land. And they acted as if they believed they owned
"Our Promised Land".
So we had to exercise "good violence"
to move them off our land and onto reservations. We labeled these
people as Red Devils, and Savages. When White men bedded native
women, they called the off-spring, Half Breeds, as if the White men
had bred with horses or cows.
As with the Revolutionary War, the Civil War pitted White men against
White men. This ugly war pitted two economic systems against one
another. When it was done and done, and the North had won, notice the
different treatment of the White losers as opposed to the fate of the
Indians? The North allowed the South to save face by continuing to
pretend that the South would "rise again". General Lee and Stonewall
Jackson, and even old Jefferson Davis were idolized. Streets and schools and
parks were named after them.
And in time, statues were erected to honor them and to prove that the
"Spirit of the South" was still alive. And rather than punishing the
people who supported secession and the establishment of a new nation,
we
all(Whites) took it out on the newly freed Blacks.
The government, the ruling White Oligarchy, protects the violence of
White people, when it serves their purposes. So when a White man
begins murdering people at random, he cannot be labeled as a
Terrorist. But in order to protect "Good White Violence" he must be
labeled as Insane, Evil and a demented demons.
In this way, the Ruling Class is able to continue selling us its Fairy
Story, the one where we all find a pot of gold at the end of a
rainbow, kiss an ugly frog and watch her turn into a beautiful
princess, and return her to her powerful father, the King of All the
People, and marry her and live happily ever after. And the Ruling
Class always leaves just a little sliver of hope. Hope that next
election we will have a "People's Champion" ride in on a White Stallion and
make all our dreams come true.
Carl Jarvis
On 10/2/17, Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello. This is certainly hideous, that is genuinely saddening and
injurious.
Last Sunday night, a demented torpedo opened fire at a consert in Las
Vegas
where he brutally murdered at least fifty nine and atrociously
wounded
5 hundred and twenty seven. At its inception, I wholeheartedly offer
my condolences to the grave loss of these innocent souls that have
been taken ruthlessly. My heart mourns and grieves with victim's
families. I unfeignedly implore to Allah glory be to Him, Allah,
bless those who have been grieved with patience and persistence.
Shooter's identification
Shooter was identified as Stephen Paddock, sixty four. Whether he
was abnormal, lunatic, serial murderer, misanthropist or
psychopathic, your dissonance of rectifying gun crisis won't ever be
resolved.
Because a Muslim
wasn't affiliated with this mass shooting, Las Vegas massacre hasn't
been treated as an act of terror. However, when a Muslim committed a
lesser mass
shooting at a nightclub in Orlando last year, the incident has been
treated
as an act of terror. This is how disingenuous and hypocritical many
Americans are. Donald Trump called what happened last Sunday night in
Las Vegas an act of pure evil. He hasn't mentioned the term terrorism.
Nevertheless, if the shooter happened to be Muslim, it would have
been listed as an act of terror. Why are Americans so infatuated with guns?
The National Rifle Association is a powerful lobby that advocates the
right to own and bear arms and rejects any gun regulation by the
government. I sternly remonstrate them for these innocent lives that
have been taken carelessly. They truly are hardhearted and pitiless.
My question though, what does really work for the United States? Law
enforcement or lobbyism?
Hasn't your nation been dominated with greed and corporal establishment?
When Obama proposed gun control initiative, he was assaulted by
congressional lobbyists. However, when Trump proposed what seems to
be a discriminative ban act against Muslims, it was approved. Both
sought fending
for national security. As time passes on, the true face of
Americanism unfolds. Many Americans became numb to exercising
precautionary dissimulation. It is a sign of disgrace for any Muslim
to be a greencard bearer. It is incredibly shameful to these people
as to how their practice of double standard is really obvious. Each
and every incident of such callous crimes reveals to us how
counterfeit these people are. I couldn't wish for this to be the last
incident.
Unfortunately, as long as greed dominates law enforcement, the
probability of hearing again and again about
similar incidents is assuredly procurable. I still wonder though, how
just one man was able to shoot these people without being instantly
detected?
According to multiple news reports, he killed fifty nine and wounded
five hundred and twenty seven. That's a staggering number. I don't
have specific
stats but, that still is unbelievable. What type of deadly rifle he
shot with? Was this a machine arm? Was this in the context of
expressing warfare?
I am seriously taken aback of what I heard. I am lost for words. I am
not vindictive of what happened, I am just appalled. How could such
incidents be
prevented in the future? First off, honourable congressional members
must hasten to sue the National Rifle Association for implicitly
aiding such unfortunate incidents to broaden. Second, congress must
critically seek unbroken consensus on decisive terms of stiff gun
regulation. This will be attained only if they truly care about
guarding national security. What happened last Sunday night in Las
Vegas was a denotative act of heinous terror. What happened in
Orlando last year was absolutely an act of flagitious terror as well.
Despite whoever committed this and what were his
motives, it was still an act of vicious terror in either case. I am
really disturbed hearing about these terrible incidents deplorably
recurring. I just told my fiance, this has got to stop or they will
just end up shooting
each other in the street one day. Whether you are at a consert, a
grocery store, a movie theatre, an elementary school, a college
campus or even a house of worship, you are threatened with being
targeted by some insane shooter. Therefore, people of intellect must
firmly stand for this. Law enforcement is the definite solution for
this longly and discreditably remaining crisis. I do not intend to
interfere. I just have good friends in
this country and I am concerned about them. I certainly grieve and
mourn what happened. This has been really unfortunate.
Thank you for carefully reading, Bob
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