On 11/22/18, Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm not sure President Obama really knew how to negotiate. Compromising
doesn't mean being a wet noodle.
Just one example I've heard about where Obama went wrong. When it came time
to work out the amount of the Economic Stimulus Package, instead of starting
out with an unrealistically high figure, expecting to have to go down to
what he really wanted to start with, he began with what he really wanted,
and therefore had nowhere to fall back to when it came time to negotiate. So
the Economic Stimulus wasn't what it should have been. If he had started out
with a much higher figure, knowing that he would have to compromise, he
would probably have gotten a better deal than he did, and consequently,
Americans would have gotten a better deal.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 12:45 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re: Midterm elections:
Democrats’ ‘blue wave’ falls short
So we have just had a president who, for eight years, was willing to
compromise with members of the opposing party, and, in fact, began
compromising from the day he took office, even when his party had a majority
in both houses of congress, and how well did that turn out? One has to be
realistic about our current situation. We no longer have, if we ever did,
two political parties composed of politicians of good will who are
representing their constituents. That is what we were taught in grade
school. We have a political system in which powerful wealthy elites hold all
of the power and the politicians who represent their interests appeal to two
different sectors of our population. One sector has progressive social
values. The other sector has right wing racist values. Every four years, we
have a show for which it takes the whole four years to prepare, in which
there is a pretense that all of the citizenry freely elects a president.
But only a percentage of the population votes and, in fact, the popular vote
doesn't elect the president. The Senate doesn't represent the people either
because of its structure, the large urban areas are under represented. So
the Senate over represents the politically conservative sectors of the
country. Further, our system permits vote suppression and inaccurate ballot
counting because of hackable voting machines. I'd say that our whole
political system is compromised.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 10:58 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Midterm elections: Democrats’ ‘blue wave’
falls short
I understand.
But this country cannot survive if more and more people refuse to work with
those they disagree with, calling them enemies or evil or what have you.
That appears to be pretty certain.
Politics is the art of compromise. Most people used to know that. Too many
seem to have forgotten, or perhaps never learned it. Log rolling, horse
trading, call it what you will. We need more of it not less. But we can't
get more of it if both the left and the right demonize each other and call
each other enemies. If things go on as they are, then we're in even worse
trouble than we are now.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 4:58 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re: Midterm elections:
Democrats’ ‘blue wave’ falls short
But you absolutely are choosing sides and in your post, to which I'm
responding, you categorized Roger and me as part of the problem, the bad
guys and you are on the good side, the center, the uncritical bipartisan,
nonjudgmental person who wants to be friendly with everyone. Roger and I are
extremists, people who are critical of others, who are part of the left
that
is, as you put it, "tearing the country apart". So if I state facts that
are true, i.e., that the tax bill which was passed favors the very wealthy
and hurts the rest of us, or that ever since the 60's, the changes in our
tax code have been made to favor big business rather than small business or
the middle and working classes, or that our politicians pass legislation
which will benefit their big donors more often than legislation that will
benefit the poor, or that the California fires are being fought not only by
well paid fire fighters, but prisoners, doing precisely the same work for $1
an hour during the time their actually in danger, or that the only
beneficiaries of our eternal wars are military contractors and the
corporations whose businesses our country represents in those wars, if I say
those things, then I'm irrationally identifying enemies and helping to tear
our country apart. The fact is that I'm not a neutral bystander. I am
concerned with social justice. I come from an urban,working class Jewish
background and and I've always known, from the time that I was a child, that
there were people who were opposed to my existence and to the existence of
other groups identified as marginal. I also know that if this government
chose to identify me as dangerous or dispensible and chose to put me in the
contemporary American version of a prison camp, the majority of good, law
abiding, bipartisan, centrist Americans would feel sad, but would do nothing
about it, especially if that government were run by the corporate wing of
the Democratic party.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 3:51 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Midterm elections: Democrats’ ‘blue wave’
falls short
I'm taking your messages out of order.
Firstly, with respect to Chris Hedges, he may well be frightened. His prose
tends to be pretty intense anyway, so I can't really tell if he's amped it
up a notch from its usually high level.
There is a window here though for Trump to act if he decides to. So I can
see how Hedges might be more worried than usual.
Secondly, and more importantly, I get the impression that you think I should
jump on board the us versus them bandwagon that is rolling across the
country. I'm not going to do that.
I can see how seductive it can be for various reasons, but that kind of
thinking has been at the heart of humanity's worst conflicts:
Catholics versus Protestants
Hindus versus Muslims
Nazis versus Jews
Communists versus Capitalists
Whites versus Blacks
And a whole lot more. That kind of thinking is what's tearing this country
apart right now.
I've seen what us versus them thinking does to people. I've observed it all
my life, and I will not take part in it. It's pernicious. It has resulted in
inconceivable amounts of suffering throughout history.
If I were to be attacked physically, I would certainly defend myself. And I
have had no compunction in criticizing the actions of individuals, or even
whole groups, particularly if their actions are part of the historical
record. (Hitler is always the example par excellence in these cases, but Mao
and Stalin will do as well.) But that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm
talking about the demonization of whole classes of people carried out by
conservatives, and people on the left as well. It doesn't sound any better
coming from you and Roger than it does coming from Sean Hanity and Rush
Limbaugh. "But we're right, and they're wrong.", you will say. Sure sure,
and they'll say the same thing, and on and on it goes. The result is
acrimony at best, and often a lot worse.
If that is the only way we can solve our problems, then we may very well be
doomed, and deservedly so.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 7:06 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] RE:
[blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Re:
[blind-democracy] Midterm elections: Democrats’ ‘blue wave’ falls short
Yes, but we're not speculating about the tax cut. We're not speculating
about how in 2008, the big banks were bailed out but not the home owners, or
about how the laws have been changed to favor the wealthy, starting in the
1970's. When Reagan was elected, social security was changed. Before his
election, children up to 21 years of age, if they were attending college,
continued to get an additional portion of a parent's social security
disability benefits. After his election, that extra money stopped when the
child reached 18, regardless of college attendance, one small example. We
have seen deep cuts in services for the blind here in New York over the
past 30 years, specifically, services to the elderly, which I'm sure,
reflect federal cuts. This isn't accidental. Clinton cut Aid To Families
With Dependent Children, and he, with his financial advisers' encouragement,
passed legislation which deregulated the banks. All of these measures, and
more, have been taken to benefit the ultra wealthy, not to benefit the rest
of us, however, one wants to define us. But when you listen to TV or radio ,
or read about how our country is doing economically, you are told about the
country's economic health from the point of view of Wall Street or
Business.
Ordinary people are mentioned only in terms of statistics, and often, the
statistics are misleading. So the fact is that bad things have been
happening to ordinary people, financially, for years and years, and now, as
the country moves even more to the right politically and the Republican
Party has moved to the edge, and throughout the world, there is a rise in
far right Fascist movements which appear to be coordinated by people like
Steve Bannon, we, ordinary non rich people, do have enemies. Recognizing
that fact doesn't mean that I advocate war because I don't. But I see that
in today's column, even Chris Hedges, who usually writes about how this is
the normal death of empire, is sounding frightened.
Miriam,
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 6:19 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re:
[blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Midterm
elections: Democrats’ ‘blue wave’ falls short
Well perhaps, but I notice your language has a lot of qualifiers in it, like
"possibly", and "maybe", so you're really just speculating.
And Trump, who may have a lot of failings, but he knows his base, isn't
going to touch Social Security and Medicare. And just this once, I believe
him when he says so because, as I said, he knows his base and he doesn't
want to lose it, which he would if he touched those programs.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Vieni
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:27 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Re:
[blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Midterm elections: Democrats’ ‘blue
wave’ falls short
Maybe your conversation might be more productive if you both stopped using
the Marxist jargon? If you accept that the very wealthy have different
socio-economic interests than the rest of us, then their goals are probably
not in your best interest. For example, they want their taxes lowered and
fewer government services. They'd like to privatize social security and
medicare and do away with a number of opublic services. Possibly, they'd
like to do away with the NLS for blind and disabled people and the
government subsidy that goes to Bookshare. Maybe they'd like to cut rehab
programs. Maybe they'll cut the program that you mentioned yesterday, from
which your mother benefits. The rich don't benefit from any of these
programs and they don't want to pay for them. That's why the great big tax
cut was passed. I think that's what Roger meant by the term, your class
enemies".
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Evan Reese
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 3:18 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Re:
[blind-democracy] Midterm elections: Democrats’ ‘blue wave’ falls short
Nope, not a billionaire, I simply don't use the word "enemies" to describe
people who have more money than I do.
The word "enemies" is used for people one wants to go to war with, i.e.
kill. If you're into that, then count me out.
Evan
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 3:09 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy]
Midterm elections: Democrats’ ‘blue wave’ falls short
Oh? You are a billionaire?
_________________________________________________________________
Isaac Asimov
“Don't you believe in flying saucers, they ask me? Don't you believe in
telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in life
after death?
No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.
One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved
negation, burst out "Don't you believe in anything?"
Yes", I said. "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement,
and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no
matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and
more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the
evidence will have to be.”
― Isaac Asimov
On 11/14/2018 8:46 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
Your class enemies perhaps, not mine.
Evan
-----Original Message----- From: Roger Loran Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2018 8:12 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Evan Reese
Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Midterm elections:
Democrats’ ‘blue wave’ falls short
If you know anything about Socialist Action you will realize that the
author of this article is not advocating that the Democrat party be
run in any way. That is the business of the Democrats. Rather, the
author is pointing out that the Democrat party is just generally not
in the interests of the large majority of the population at all. That
is, the Democrat party is a party of our class enemies.
_________________________________________________________________
Isaac Asimov
“Don't you believe in flying saucers, they ask me? Don't you believe
in telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in
life after death?
No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.
One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of
unrelieved negation, burst out "Don't you believe in anything?"
Yes", I said. "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation,
measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll
believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is
evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however,
the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.”
― Isaac Asimov
On 11/9/2018 2:32 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
Quoting the article in part:
"But the candidates within the Democratic Party “big tent” ranged
widely in their views—from Democratic Socialists of America members
to conservatives like party hack Joe Manchin in West Virginia—who
shamefully voted for Brett Kavanaugh to join the Supreme Court...."
Now I don't like Kavanaugh at all, but I hope the author doesn't
think that only people with a narrow range of views should be
elected, as beginning the sentence with the word, "But", implies.
That doesn't sound like a very intelligent way to run a party or a
government. That's what's happening to the Republican party. I do not
want the Democratic party to become a mirror image of that. We are
talking about the House of Representatives after all. And whatever I
think of many other peoples'
views, there are a wide range of views out there. The House is
supposed to represent those views, not be a forum for a narrow set of
them.
Again, quoting the article in part:
"Evidence that the “blue wave” did not flow significantly to the left
can be seen in the fact that a quarter of the Democratic Party
candidates in the Nov. 6 election have a background in the CIA, the
military, the State Department, or national security...."
The fact that a quarter of them had such backgrounds is a problem?
Does the author mean to say that only people ignorant of such matters
should be elected? If the fact that only a quarter of them had such
backgrounds is a problem for him, that would seem to be what he's
saying. Again, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent way to make
decisions. Whatever one's positions on matters of the military, the
CIA, the State Department, or national security might be, it seems
hard to justify ignorance as a good approach to making decisions
about matters involving them. Ignorance is Donald Trump's approach to
running things. I hope this author isn't advocating a similar
approach for Democrats.
Evan
-----Original Message----- From: Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender
"rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 11:24 AM
To: blind-democracy
Subject: [blind-democracy] Midterm elections: Democrats’ ‘blue wave’
falls short
https://socialistaction.org/2018/11/07/midterm-elections-democrats-bl
ue-wave-falls-short/
Midterm elections: Democrats’ ‘blue wave’ falls short
/ 2 days ago
Nov. 2018 Ocasio Cortez (AP)
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a member of the Democratic Socialists of
America, was elected to Congress on the Democratic Party ticket. (AP)
By MICHAEL SCHREIBER
“This is the most important midterm election in the modern history of
this country,” said Senator Bernie Sanders, and many politicians and
pundits agreed. President Trump spoke similarly during his week-long
campaign tour, aimed mainly at shoring up Republican candidates in
so-called Red States. “Everything we have achieved is at stake,”
Trump declared to his cheering admirers.
After the election, however, the mood quickly subsided; there was no
evidence that substantial changes had come onto the political landscape.
For one thing, the hoopla that Democrats had drummed up to create a
mighty “blue wave” produced merely a ripple of elected candidates. In
a Nov. 7 news conference, in fact, Trump boasted that his campaign
rallies had “stopped the blue wave.”
The Democrats’ lackluster finish came despite the fact that they had
received the bulk of Wall Street donations. The securities and
finance industry backed Democratic congressional candidates 63
percent to 37 percent for the Republicans, according to the Center
for Responsive Politics.
Of course, the Democrats did succeed in winning a majority in the
House for the first time since 2011, and made gains in many
relatively affluent suburban districts that had leaned Republican in
years past.
And here and there, a few rookie Congress members were elected who
consider themselves to be “progressives” or even “democratic
socialists.” More women, LGBTQ people, and people of color than ever
before were elected on the Democratic ticket.
But the candidates within the Democratic Party “big tent” ranged
widely in their views—from Democratic Socialists of America members
to conservatives like party hack Joe Manchin in West Virginia—who
shamefully voted for Brett Kavanaugh to join the Supreme Court. The
crook Bob Menendez was also reelected as a Democratic U.S. Senator
from New Jersey, despite having been censured by the Senate Ethics
Committee for accepting bribes from a wealthy businessman.
Evidence that the “blue wave” did not flow significantly to the left
can be seen in the fact that a quarter of the Democratic Party
candidates in the Nov. 6 election have a background in the CIA, the
military, the State Department, or national security. They included,
for example, Elissa Slotkin, who won a congressional seat from
Michigan’s Eighth District. Slotkin is a former CIA operative in
Iraq, who also served as Obama’s Iraq director on the National
Security Council. Later, she worked at the Pentagon, looking into
drone warfare, “homeland defense,”
and cyber warfare.
All in all, despite the addition of a few “progressive” Democrats to
Congress, the complexion of U.S. politics has changed very little
since the election. The policies of the capitalist Democratic Party
have not been altered one iota from the pro-corporate, pro-war,
anti-environmental ones of the past.
The social issues that the Democratic Party candidates addressed in
their campaigns were exceedingly narrow. “Medicare for All” was a
central plank of the Democrats this year, though we can expect that
the proposal will be watered down; as under Obama, the needs of the
insurance industry will have to be catered to before the proposal
ever reaches a vote in Congress. The Democrats also spoke about
repairing the country’s roads and bridges—always a safe bet at
election time—but ignoring the need for efficient mass transportation
and the use of renewable fuels.
Major issues of an international scope were ignored, such as climate
change and out-of-control environmental pollution, and pouring more
money into the military (most Democrats in Congress supported this
year’s $716 billion military budget). Likewise, questions such as the
sanctions against Iran, trade wars with China and other countries,
and the endless U.S. wars in Afghanistan and the Middle East were
virtually absent from the platforms of Democratic candidates for
Congress.
Moreover, important domestic issues such as raising the minimum wage
to be enough to live on; the right to low-cost housing; securing the
rights of women, immigrants, and LGBTQ people; and stopping police
violence against people of color generally received no more than a
nod by the Democrats.
A referendum on Trump
The main issue that the Democrats ran on was simply “stop Trump.” CNN
and AP VoteCast polls on the eve of the election both showed that
close to 70% of voters hoped to send a message to Trump with their
vote; about 26% to 28% of the respondents were for Trump, and 38% to
40% were against. Trump readily agreed that the election was a
referendum on his administration. He told potential voters in
Mississippi, “Pretend I’m on the ballot.”
The Republicans held onto their “strongholds” in rural districts and
in areas of discontented white workers who had voted for Trump in 2016.
Accordingly, the Republicans increased their edge in the Senate and
won several key governor races. In general, right-wing and
Trump-supporting politicians were elected, while more mainstream
Republicans did not do as well. In a Nov. 7 tweet, Trump acknowledged
the fact, saying, “Those that worked with me in this incredible
Midterm Election, embracing certain policies and principles, did very
well. Those that did not, say goodbye!”
One loyal Trump supporter who followed the formula, Marsha Blackburn,
was elected to the Senate from Tennessee. “I’m going to work with
President Trump all of the way to build that wall,” she affirmed to
voters. A Blackburn commercial started with a shot of the immigrant
caravan crossing Mexico. “I’m going to stop the criminals who are
going toward our border,” Blackburn stated in a voice-over.
In order to rally his supporters in the weeks leading up to the
election, Trump relied almost exclusively on scare tactics, using
racist descriptions that are commonly employed by the ultra-right.
Trump described the Central American migrants traveling through
Mexico as “invaders” and “terrorists,” and he endorsed a campaign ad
that likened them to Luis Bracamontes, an immigrant who had been
convicted for killing two police officers.
Polls showed that the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme
Court was a key issue for Trump supporters in the election. Only a
month before the election, Trump spread the conspiracy theory that
people protesting Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination (“elevator screamers”)
were being paid for by billionaire George Soros—a figure who is
frequently denounced in anti-Semitic literature.
In the South, with its long history of injustices against Black
people, racism was merged with anti-immigrant prejudices in
Republican messages against the Democrats. In Georgia, Trump said
that Democrat Stacey Abrams, a Black “progressive” running for
governor, was “unqualified”
for the office, and that she “would turn Georgia into a giant
sanctuary city for criminal aliens, putting innocent Georgia families
at the mercy of hardened criminals and predators.” The National Rifle
Association in Georgia put out a message, “Defend yourself. Defeat
Abrams.” And ABC News reported that a robocall on behalf of her
Republican opponent, Brian Kemp, called Abrams a “negress.”
Should socialists work within the Democratic Party?
The elections reflected the broader polarization that has taken place
in the United States during the last few years, brought on in part by
the dissatisfaction and alienation that working people feel toward
the status quo in capitalist society. Some workers and middle-class
people, often in “rust-belt” districts that have seen better times,
have been hoodwinked by the anti-immigrant and racist messages of the
right wing.
But likewise, there is no doubt that the reactionary pronouncements
by Trump and the right have had an electric effect in mobilizing
people in opposition. The last two years have seen massive rallies in
the streets against Trump’s policies.
Unfortunately, at the present time, working people have no authentic
voice in the political arena except in the streets. Some socialists
mistakenly adhere to the idea that it might be possible to change the
pro-big business nature of the Democratic Party by working within it,
or that it might be possible to break a “left wing” (such as Bernie
Sanders
supporters) out of the party. But both scenarios are merely wishful
thinking.
Similarly, it is a deadly illusion to think that revolutionary
socialists can be elected to public office and work for significant
social change when using the ballot line of the capitalist Democratic
Party—always a “lesser-evil” trap for the unwary. History has
repeatedly demonstrated that the former party of the Klan, White
Citizens Councils, and Southern slavocracy serves the ruling class
elite unfailingly.
That this “graveyard of all fighting social movements” can be
considered a vehicle for advancing working-class interests is
preposterous. In general, when “progressive” or “left” candidates run
as Democrats, the party hierarchy forces them to align their
positions with those of the mainstream, not the opposite.
Consider Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the member of the Democratic
Socialists of America (DSA) from the Bronx, who was just elected to
the House as a Democrat. At first, the party leadership viewed her
with suspicion, but after winning the primary vote, she became a
celebrity, the subject of talk shows—and even Barak Obama endorsed her.
Accordingly, the DSA enlisted Ocasio-Cortez to travel to California
to raise money and support for other “left” candidates running in the
Democratic Party. We can expect, too, that the Democratic Party
leadership will use her services in selected and “safe” locales as an
opportunity to refurbish the party’s image when it suits their needs.
They understand that Ocasio-Cortez and other DSAers are fresh faces
who can attract young people and activists with new energy into the
party—and thus channel dissident voices into the double-talking
capitalist mainstream. Sanders played a similar role in 2016,
shepherding the unwary first into his campaign and then into Hillary
Clinton’s.
At her acceptance speech on Nov. 6, Ocasio-Cortez told supporters,
“We can make change … We are here, and we are going to rock the world
in the next two years … This is not the end. This is the beginning.”
But real change will never be achieved from within the Democratic Party.
The beginning of a new day for working people in the United States
will arrive when they construct their own party, one that operates
not only at the ballot box but in workplaces and in the streets, and
with a revolutionary program to enable the working class to take
political power in its own name and abolish the rule of the capitalists.
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