Miriam,
I believe that the answer is "All of the Above".
In fact, some long time families of Mexican extraction became Mexican,
Texan, and American citizens without ever leaving home. Our eldest
grandson's first wife came from a Mexican American family. Her
parents, grandparents, great grandparents and great great grandparents
lived in, or close to the same place in Arizona, long before it was
part of the USA. And yet, when we would take her to dinner at our
local Mexican restaurant, the staff would always speak to her in
Spanish. But neither she nor anyone in her immediate family spoke
anything but English. Whenever she was asked her ethnicity, she
would smile and say, "American".
While she looked every bit the Conchita, her roots were deeply
American, and her ancestry was of no interest to her.
Carl Jarvis
On 7/7/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm assuming that these guys are Mexican Americans and some of their
families haven't been on this side of the border that long. But perhaps I'm
wrong. Perhaps they've been here for 100 years and they may not have any
Indian heritage and they fully identify with White America. Or maybe they're
like the cappos, the Jews in the concentration camps who kept the other Jews
in line.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 3:12 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Giving up the ghost of Ronald
Reagan...And the out-of-control Border Control
I want to mention this. Miriam expressed dismay that people with Hispanic
names would express such prejudice against the immigrants and that it was
against their own people. Well, I doubt that they consider them to be their
own people. I am named Bailey, for example, and I don't feel any particular
connection to Ireland. Besides, my maternal family had a German surname and
on both sides of the family there are English, Scottish and other names. My
mother once got a family genealogy from a relative that showed a female
Cherokee ancestor too. The Irishness of Bailey just does not mean much and I
expect that it doesn't mean a lot to a lot of people with Hispanic surnames
either.
---
Voltaire
??? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities. ???
??? Voltaire,
On 7/7/2019 2:43 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
"several of these men, posting racist, biased comments about
immigrants, have Hispanic names."
Prejudice runs far deeper than a person's ethnicity or the color of
their skin, or their sex.
To my own prejudiced mind, I can't understand how any woman could vote
for Donald Trump. Or why so many blond women tried to get next to O J
Simpson after his trial?
Carl Jarvis
On 7/6/19, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If you read the story about the border patrol private Facebook page,
you???ll notice that several of these men, posting racist, biased
comments about immigrants, have Hispanic names.
Miriam
From: Bad News <badnews@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2019 1:39 PM
To: miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Giving up the ghost of Ronald Reagan...And the
out-of-control Border Control
Last week we reported that a voter-suppression bill had passed the
Pennsylvania legislature and was awaiting the signature of the
state???s Democratic governor in order to become law. An update: He
has decided to veto it. I have an essay in this Sunday???s Outlook
section of the Washington Post, adapted from my book, which tries to
answer the question of what on earth is wrong with Democratic party
leaders. The answer, I think, has to do with the Reagan era.
Giving up the ghost of Ronald Reagan...And the out-of-control Border
Control
Jul 6
Public post
Last week we reported that a voter-suppression bill had passed the
Pennsylvania legislature and was awaiting the signature of the
state???s Democratic governor in order to become law. An update:
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He has decided to veto it.
I have an essay in this Sunday???s Outlook section of the Washington
Post, adapted from my book, which tries to answer the question of
what on earth is wrong with Democratic party leaders. The answer, I
think, has to do with the Reagan era.
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The piece is linked here, but if you live in the DC area you might as
well wait to read it in the paper. (Also,
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buy the book!)
The border situation continues to spiral. It doesn???t seem to have
fully sunk in that there was a private Facebook group of some 10,000
current and former Border Patrol employees, many of them in
supervisory roles, that in many respects was indistinguishable from a
standard racist Facebook hate group.
Their word for immigrants is ???tonks??? -- a reference to the sound
their flashlights make when they smash them against the heads of men,
women, and children fleeing (US-driven) violence in Central America.
The group was exposed last week by ProPublica, but a reporter of ours
had gotten access to it previously (though had yet to publish his
story), and was able to archive much of the material before the group
started trying to delete it. What he found is appalling enough that
the entire leadership of this rogue agency ought to resign in disgrace.
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CExX-fuFrWTZ0nis8YwSCE8fTx58QpITxM1oPg4LpQvRvNdsHmZi0rZHgEMYyzFmICFLa
5RA413ls4kx8uKdYCNdZLe00E0M9K6mfexHplXPhmVuSRXZRNYGnAIOH4ind0AsfyGGdO
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Story here.
Debbie Nathan recently won an Edward R. Murrow award
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2xRK8LgT73ohGCrhKaDsmnVMCvTVmrpFj3UlRCVmkVT1YadJpPaDYLXIOEF6QgemJUrUd
wu1e1SjvnQCugJkoZIhQ4ur0ou-nzx9pzFqUm7i9dFObTHdYOo0jvNFZ3D53fWK1qTwF8
T7B6Xb-D8mKHMHw68463oqoHXhSju97u4jXzsHw8-_jzEpebuWRbbPm-k9O-ZgyXpMKFy
r1wAsyBECt6ih8IDnVCmrHLZi44JvJotmA8v-vB996cjgvTwt1mgXPKzzBD7UvCSZT8TM
mgvM8RT9Q-PqY8D> for her reporting for The Intercept at the border
and she???s out now with a new blockbuster story,
<http://email.mg2.substack.com/c/eJwlkE2OwyAMhU9TdomAtPlZsGg6yjUiAm5q
TYAInI5y-4FWsjCyHjy_z2iCNcRT7SEROxLEGa1qbwPnA7PqakV_6xmm-RkBnMZNUTyA7
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rTpblf5JSLXoCeIBrYqTbB5ZHkYsiNt-Xe5wOdwzV-NqicTql6o4VQ7TEYAIt-TdUSooV
YEXhK-QVDVX7hHW9F1wz8Wot6HEdxn_jUPx58-nmIy5W7VdbpWBJp81vMWVQOI2r3zltj
FoSdgt_QQ-2BCok5q9zhkc4ZvF42sF9I9IX6CU3nDsrDX9qAcrLvMJPrpeCSZT8bMl2vF
m2L6h_dsopd> exposing a Trump administration plan to hold mass video
hearings for thousands of migrants at once.
And Alexander Zaitchik
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filed this report from the Brazilian rainforest, where a battle is
being fought to stall Jair Bolsanaro???s attempt to completely
bulldoze it. Aside from everything else, it???s the last great carbon
sink on this teetering planet, and if it gets destroyed, it???s hard
to see how we can turn this around.
At least we have the World Cup to watch tomorrow morning?
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