I actually listened to most of this debate since it was on CBS, a basic
channel. I think that from the point of view of audience reaction, Hillary
won. Also, the two young women who did a mid debate commentary, seemed to be
more impressed with her. She is very slick. My impression is that Bernie
holds back many of his possible retorts because he doesn't want to alienate
people and because he doesn't want to hurt Hillary's chances in relation to
the Republicans. Some of his best points on foreign policy were made by
indirection. But he buys, or appears to buy all these myths like Iran is the
greatest backer of terrorism in the world and Russia was the aggressor in
Ukraine. He attacks Hillary over and over on past foreign policy decisions
that he thinks most people will agree with him about. He never says anything
contrvertial and true about our foreign policy except, last night, he did
give the audience a bit of history on US overthrow of some government since
1953.
Miriam
Liveblog: The Sixth Democratic Debate: 'Let Us Level With the American
People'
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bate_20160211/
Posted on Feb 11, 2016
Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton met in Milwaukee for Thursday's
Democratic debate. (PBS NewsHour)
Update: 8:14 p.m. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appeared pleased
when the PBS NewsHour moderators announced that foreign policy was up for
discussion. Knowing this is one of her perceived strengths, Bernie Sanders
went on the offensive. "There is no question that Secretary Clinton and I
are friends," he said, adding, "She's got a bit of experience ... but
judgment matters as well."
Clinton took fire from Sanders for her 2003 vote in favor of the Iraq
invasion, then turned the heat on him with a claim that he had effectively
cast a vote for "regime change" in Iraq in 1998. Sanders begged to differ.
Jumping on another of Clinton's chummy relationships with a former U.S.
secretary of state (besides Madeleine Albright), Sanders archly declared,
"I'm proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend."
Clinton kept her cool, playing up how President Obama had clashed with her
in the 2008 election cycle but ultimately picked her to head up the State
Department. She tried to impress the audience with policy-wonk talk about
Syria and boost her own standing by rallying behind Obama-and implying that
Sanders doesn't. "I don't think [Obama] gets the credit he deserves for
being a president who dug us out of that ditch, put us on firm ground, and
himself sent us into the future," she said. "The kind of criticism that
we've heard from Sen. Sanders about our president I expect from Republicans.
I do not expect [it] from someone running for the Democratic nomination to
succeed President Obama."
"Madam Secretary, that is a low blow," Sanders shot back, adding that a U.S.
senator has the right to disagree with the president, and matching her
zinger with one of his own: "One of us ran against Barack Obama-I was not
that candidate."
This combative tone continued through the closing comments, particularly on
Clinton's side. Sanders finished with a familiar call for "political
revolution," which he stressed could not be achieved single-handedly by
either a President Sanders or a President Clinton. The latter hypothetical
commander in chief tried to turn Sanders' advantages into a liability by
invoking the idea that he is a "single-issue" candidate-but put herself on
par with him on that same issue. "We agree that Wall Street should never be
able to wreck Main Street again," she said.
Then, the high-wire act was over, with Clinton coming off more aggressively
in the second half than Sanders, who instead played on his ability to
inspire. Neither was a clear winner, and neither faltered, once again
signaling that American voters are in for a long slog to the nomination.
* * *
Update: 7:10 p.m. The focus of the second segment of the debate was on race
and campaign funding, topics that should have cost Clinton more ground than
Sanders was able to take from her. Asked how a President Clinton would make
progress in combating racial inequality when it has been a constant
challenge for Obama, she was able (and Sanders allowed her) to deflect
criticism about her track record on race and trot out a series of safe
bullet points, such as: "We are seeing the dark side of the remaining
systemic racism that we have to root out."
Sanders chimed in with quotes similarly tailored for the news cycle, such
as: "The African-American community lost half of their wealth as a result of
the Wall Street collapse. Clearly we are looking at institutional racism."
And, "At the end of my first term as president, we will not have more people
in jail than any other country."
Clinton also claimed, "I've made it clear that no bank is too big to fail,
no executive too powerful to jail," without mentioning why she was willing
to take tens of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs,
one of the biggest banking behemoths. It was up to moderator Judy Woodruff
to point out that, in addition to the Goldman Sachs connection, Clinton's
campaign enjoyed financing boosts from Democrat-friendly billionaires such
as George Soros. "You're referring to a super PAC that we don't coordinate
with," Clinton responded, in the evening's equivalent of her "That's what
they offered" blooper from the week before. "It's not my PAC."
* * *
Sanders kicked off Thursday's Democratic debate in Milwaukee with a few
familiar lines from his campaign-trail greatest hits before getting down to
business with a series of fiery salvos targeting Clinton. She was ready for
him.
Shortly into the first round of the debate, moderated by Woodruff and Gwen
Ifill of PBS, it was clear that the candidates were prepared to go toe to
toe, aware that the stakes were much higher this time around and needing to
make sharper distinctions in their profiles.
Sanders started strong. Following familiar refrains about the nation's
"rigged economy" and how his fellow Americans should "not let the Trumps of
the world divide us," he shifted modes from earlier debates, when he had
expressed support for Clinton, and struck out on his own. "Let us level with
the American people," he said, describing his proposals for boosting the
health care system and energizing the economy. He said his Medicare-for-all
proposal would save the average middle-class family $5,000 per year. He also
claimed he has a plan to create 13 million jobs "at a cost of a trillion
dollars."
A composed Clinton took several opportunities to regain footing after her
defeat in the New Hampshire primary and her botched endorsements from
Albright and feminist icon Gloria Steinem. She positioned herself as being
opposed to oversized government and echoed Sanders' tune about the growing
gap between Main Street and Wall Street. "I know a lot of Americans are
angry about the economy, and for good cause," she said. "Americans haven't
had a raise in 15 years," she added, entering somewhat dangerous territory
given the ongoing controversy over her speaking fees.
She was eager to associate herself with Obama's biggest win-Obamacare, which
she said was originally known as "Hillarycare"- taking credit for starting
the legislative wheels turning for health care reform during the 1990s. She
also tried to assure female voters that the idea of "choice" extends to
their voting preferences, "even if that choice is not to vote for me."
Clinton framed Sanders' proposals as financially unrealistic, saying, "We
should not make promises we can't keep" because "that would further alienate
Americans." Putting a $1-billion-a-year price tag on her own economic
scheme, she claimed, "I will not throw us further into debt. ... Once I'm in
the White House, I believe we will have enough political capital to be able
to do that."
There was the opening, and Sanders took it: "Well, Secretary Clinton, you're
not in the White House yet," he said.
-Posted by Kasia Anderson
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Liveblog: The Sixth Democratic Debate: 'Let Us Level With the American
People'
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/liveblog_the_sixth_democratic_de
bate_20160211/
Posted on Feb 11, 2016
Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton met in Milwaukee for Thursday's
Democratic debate. (PBS NewsHour)
Update: 8:14 p.m. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appeared pleased
when the PBS NewsHour moderators announced that foreign policy was up for
discussion. Knowing this is one of her perceived strengths, Bernie Sanders
went on the offensive. "There is no question that Secretary Clinton and I
are friends," he said, adding, "She's got a bit of experience ... but
judgment matters as well."
Clinton took fire from Sanders for her 2003 vote in favor of the Iraq
invasion, then turned the heat on him with a claim that he had effectively
cast a vote for "regime change" in Iraq in 1998. Sanders begged to differ.
Jumping on another of Clinton's chummy relationships with a former U.S.
secretary of state (besides Madeleine Albright), Sanders archly declared,
"I'm proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend."
Clinton kept her cool, playing up how President Obama had clashed with her
in the 2008 election cycle but ultimately picked her to head up the State
Department. She tried to impress the audience with policy-wonk talk about
Syria and boost her own standing by rallying behind Obama-and implying that
Sanders doesn't. "I don't think [Obama] gets the credit he deserves for
being a president who dug us out of that ditch, put us on firm ground, and
himself sent us into the future," she said. "The kind of criticism that
we've heard from Sen. Sanders about our president I expect from Republicans.
I do not expect [it] from someone running for the Democratic nomination to
succeed President Obama."
"Madam Secretary, that is a low blow," Sanders shot back, adding that a U.S.
senator has the right to disagree with the president, and matching her
zinger with one of his own: "One of us ran against Barack Obama-I was not
that candidate."
This combative tone continued through the closing comments, particularly on
Clinton's side. Sanders finished with a familiar call for "political
revolution," which he stressed could not be achieved single-handedly by
either a President Sanders or a President Clinton. The latter hypothetical
commander in chief tried to turn Sanders' advantages into a liability by
invoking the idea that he is a "single-issue" candidate-but put herself on
par with him on that same issue. "We agree that Wall Street should never be
able to wreck Main Street again," she said.
Then, the high-wire act was over, with Clinton coming off more aggressively
in the second half than Sanders, who instead played on his ability to
inspire. Neither was a clear winner, and neither faltered, once again
signaling that American voters are in for a long slog to the nomination.
* * *
Update: 7:10 p.m. The focus of the second segment of the debate was on race
and campaign funding, topics that should have cost Clinton more ground than
Sanders was able to take from her. Asked how a President Clinton would make
progress in combating racial inequality when it has been a constant
challenge for Obama, she was able (and Sanders allowed her) to deflect
criticism about her track record on race and trot out a series of safe
bullet points, such as: "We are seeing the dark side of the remaining
systemic racism that we have to root out."
Sanders chimed in with quotes similarly tailored for the news cycle, such
as: "The African-American community lost half of their wealth as a result of
the Wall Street collapse. Clearly we are looking at institutional racism."
And, "At the end of my first term as president, we will not have more people
in jail than any other country."
Clinton also claimed, "I've made it clear that no bank is too big to fail,
no executive too powerful to jail," without mentioning why she was willing
to take tens of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs,
one of the biggest banking behemoths. It was up to moderator Judy Woodruff
to point out that, in addition to the Goldman Sachs connection, Clinton's
campaign enjoyed financing boosts from Democrat-friendly billionaires such
as George Soros. "You're referring to a super PAC that we don't coordinate
with," Clinton responded, in the evening's equivalent of her "That's what
they offered" blooper from the week before. "It's not my PAC."
* * *
Sanders kicked off Thursday's Democratic debate in Milwaukee with a few
familiar lines from his campaign-trail greatest hits before getting down to
business with a series of fiery salvos targeting Clinton. She was ready for
him.
Shortly into the first round of the debate, moderated by Woodruff and Gwen
Ifill of PBS, it was clear that the candidates were prepared to go toe to
toe, aware that the stakes were much higher this time around and needing to
make sharper distinctions in their profiles.
Sanders started strong. Following familiar refrains about the nation's
"rigged economy" and how his fellow Americans should "not let the Trumps of
the world divide us," he shifted modes from earlier debates, when he had
expressed support for Clinton, and struck out on his own. "Let us level with
the American people," he said, describing his proposals for boosting the
health care system and energizing the economy. He said his Medicare-for-all
proposal would save the average middle-class family $5,000 per year. He also
claimed he has a plan to create 13 million jobs "at a cost of a trillion
dollars."
A composed Clinton took several opportunities to regain footing after her
defeat in the New Hampshire primary and her botched endorsements from
Albright and feminist icon Gloria Steinem. She positioned herself as being
opposed to oversized government and echoed Sanders' tune about the growing
gap between Main Street and Wall Street. "I know a lot of Americans are
angry about the economy, and for good cause," she said. "Americans haven't
had a raise in 15 years," she added, entering somewhat dangerous territory
given the ongoing controversy over her speaking fees.
She was eager to associate herself with Obama's biggest win-Obamacare, which
she said was originally known as "Hillarycare"- taking credit for starting
the legislative wheels turning for health care reform during the 1990s. She
also tried to assure female voters that the idea of "choice" extends to
their voting preferences, "even if that choice is not to vote for me."
Clinton framed Sanders' proposals as financially unrealistic, saying, "We
should not make promises we can't keep" because "that would further alienate
Americans." Putting a $1-billion-a-year price tag on her own economic
scheme, she claimed, "I will not throw us further into debt. ... Once I'm in
the White House, I believe we will have enough political capital to be able
to do that."
There was the opening, and Sanders took it: "Well, Secretary Clinton, you're
not in the White House yet," he said.
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