Roger, If you get your idea that all spiritual systems are hooey from thinking
they teach an invisible in the sky created you, you are making your judgement
based on ignorance of religions. Maybe you should study some and then form an
opinion.
________________________________
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Roger Loran Bailey
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 9:37 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Miriam Vieni
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Jesus, Christmas and Donald Trump for evangelists
What I realize is that it is disrespectful to religion and religion deserves no
respect. I am sorry, but it is hooey and it is just as much hooey as it would
be if I went around claiming that goblins are eating the livers out of
mongooses and if I did that I would be insulting the intelligence of anyone I
proclaimed it to just like I am having my own intelligence insulted when
someone tells me that a magical invisible man in the sky created me.
Furthermore, anyone who actually believes such nonsense is disrespecting
themselves far more than I am by pointing out that such nonsense is hooey.
On 10/8/2017 9:13 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Roger,
Do you realize that when you make such a statement, it is disrespectful toward
people who have religious faith? You rightly resent it when people who are
religious, try to convert you to their beliefs. What you are doing when you
insist on your version of truth in the face of another person’s statement of
belief is equivalent in emotional terms, to what a religious person does to you
when he or she tells you that your atheism is wrong.
Miriam
From:
blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey ;
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 7:52 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; MARY
CONVY <CCRUSER@xxxxxxx><mailto:CCRUSER@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Jesus, Christmas and Donald Trump for evangelists
I would say that all spiritual systems share one really big thing in common.
They are all, without exception, a big bunch of hooey.
On 10/8/2017 4:48 PM, MARY CONVY wrote:
Bob,
You say that every nation thinks it holds the truth at its hands. True. But
it just makes common sense that only one ultimate truth can exist. Some people
hold fast that their brand is The truth but you can do this only through
faith. None of knows with pure certainty. My personal belief is that there is
a core of ultimate truth in all theories of our spiritual selves.
And humanity is as varied as the grains of sand on a beach. So each expression
of spirituality is just as varied. Details don't matter and I think it is
almost arrogant to question others because that tends toward questioning for
criticism, not knowledge. And the details are as significant as whether you
prefer chocolate or vanilla ice cream.
For example, I believe Sunni's revere relics of the prophets and kiss them.
Kissing an object in reverence may seem odd to someone else, but they nor you
should care. It is your choice as a spiritual practice and does not need to
be denied nor approved by anyone else. Let's worry about our own spiritual
butts, so to speak. And yet Catholics kiss the feet of Christ on the Cross on
Good Friday. We are all more alike than different.
So Christians and Jews all have a common faith but widely different practices
within that faith. You can pick any individual practice and question it. But
I think that misses the entire point of developing our spirits. We should seek
the commonness we all share as humans.
In your original article you pose many questions about individual Christians
practices. I could answer them in a very historical and logical sense. But
then I would be going against my own premise that those details don't matter.
And can be dis-unifying. When you ask why have Christmas during the time of
earlier pagan festivals it sounds to the Christian ear as critical. Yet I know
there are very basic societal and historical facts that answers that question
and that answer takes nothing away from the religious importance.
I would ask you, despite all the surface differences, all spiritul systems (as
opposed to specific practices) share core values to help us become better
spiritual beings in this physical world. Do you agree?
________________________________
From:
blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
on behalf of Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:ebob824@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 4:07 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Jesus, Christmas and Donald Trump for evangelists
Mary, thank you for reading my piece and thank you for your response.
Each and every nation claims to hold the truth at its hand.
I represent my perspective as a devout Sunni Muslim.
I truly love and care for everyone.
I am surrounded by Christian fellows at work. Here, I live in a complex owned
by a Coptic family.
My best friend in the States is a Mormon girl called Alison.
Each and every sinner is penalised for what he has done.
But certainly, door of repentance is always open.
We do not intend to derogate sinners.
We just despise sinful acts.
I couldn't claim I'm absolutely redeemed, because I never knew what my life
will end with.
Similarly, this is how I look at people from all faiths and backgrounds, even
irreligious people.
You never knew what Allah plans for you.
You never knew what will happen tomorrow.
To all of us, life is just a mystery.
It gradually unfolds as time pass on.
Thank you, Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: MARY CONVY<mailto:CCRUSER@xxxxxxx>
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 9:42 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Jesus, Christmas and Donald Trump for evangelists
Bob, Can I ask what publication you wrote this for? And I have another very
sincere and honest question: why do you care? Does Allah, most omnipotent,
have tolerance for someone who drinks alcohol or puts an evergreen up in a
church? Or does he punish them and you are worried for the souls of your
fellow man?
________________________________
From:
blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
on behalf of Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:ebob824@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 3:05 PM
To:
"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org<mailto:%22Undisclosed-Recipient:;%22@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Jesus, Christmas and Donald Trump for evangelists
Hello. This is Bob Evans. I'm the author of the editorial attached below.
Please, read, fathom and if you wish, interact.
Bob Evans
______
---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Avast | Download Free Antivirus for PC, Mac &
Android<https://www.avast.com/antivirus>
www.avast.com<http://www.avast.com>
Protect your devices with the best free antivirus on the market. Download Avast
antivirus and anti-spyware protection for your PC, Mac and Android.
[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
Virus-free.
www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
