[blind-democracy] Re: Jesus, Christmas and Donald Trump for evangelists

  • From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
  • To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2017 21:37:32 -0400


What I realize is that it is disrespectful to religion and religion deserves no respect. I am sorry, but it is hooey and it is just as much hooey as it would be if I went around claiming that goblins are eating the livers out of mongooses and if I did that I would be insulting the intelligence of anyone I proclaimed it to just like I am having my own intelligence insulted when someone tells me that a magical invisible man in the sky created me. Furthermore, anyone who actually believes such nonsense is disrespecting themselves far more than I am by pointing out that such nonsense is hooey.
On 10/8/2017 9:13 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:


Roger,

Do you realize that when you make such a statement, it is disrespectful toward people who have religious faith? You rightly resent it when people who are religious, try to convert you to their beliefs. What you are doing when you insist on your version of truth in the face of another person’s statement of belief is equivalent in emotional terms, to what a religious person does to you when he or she tells you that your atheism is wrong.

Miriam

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I would say that all spiritual systems share one really big thing in common. They are all, without exception, a big bunch of hooey.

On 10/8/2017 4:48 PM, MARY CONVY wrote:

    Bob,

    You say that every nation thinks it holds the truth at its hands. 
    True.  But it just makes common sense that only one ultimate truth
    can exist. Some people hold fast that their brand is The truth but
    you can do this only  through faith.  None of knows with pure
    certainty.  My personal belief is that there is a core of ultimate
    truth in all theories of our spiritual selves.

    And humanity is as varied as the grains of sand on a beach.  So
    each expression of spirituality is just as varied.   Details don't
    matter and I think it is almost arrogant to question others
    because that tends toward questioning for criticism, not
    knowledge.   And the details are as significant as whether you
    prefer chocolate or vanilla ice cream.

    For example, I believe Sunni's revere relics of the prophets and
    kiss them. Kissing an object in reverence may seem odd to someone
    else, but they nor you should care.   It is your choice as a
    spiritual practice and does not need to be denied nor approved by
    anyone else.  Let's worry about our own spiritual butts, so to
    speak. And yet Catholics kiss the feet of Christ on the Cross on
    Good Friday.  We are all more alike than different.

    So Christians and Jews all have a common faith but widely
    different practices within that faith.  You can pick any
    individual practice and question it.  But I think that misses the
    entire point of developing our spirits.  We should seek the
    commonness we all share as humans.

    In your original article you pose many questions about individual
    Christians practices.  I could answer them in a very historical
    and logical sense.  But then I would be going against my own
    premise that those details don't matter.  And can be dis-unifying.
      When you ask why have Christmas during the time of earlier pagan
    festivals it sounds to the Christian ear as critical. Yet I know
    there are very basic societal and historical facts that answers
    that question and that answer takes nothing away from the
    religious importance.

    I would ask you, despite all the surface differences, all spiritul
    systems (as opposed to specific practices) share core values  to
    help us become better spiritual beings in this physical world.  Do
    you agree?

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    *Subject:* [blind-democracy] Re: Jesus, Christmas and Donald Trump
    for evangelists

    Mary, thank you for reading my piece and thank you for your response.

    Each and every nation claims to hold the truth at its hand.

    I represent my perspective as a devout Sunni Muslim.

    I truly love and care for everyone.

    I am surrounded by Christian fellows at work. Here, I live in a
    complex owned by a Coptic family.

    My best friend in the States is a Mormon girl called Alison.

    Each and every sinner is penalised for what he has done.

    But certainly, door of repentance is always open.

    We do not intend to derogate sinners.

    We just despise sinful acts.

    I couldn't claim I'm absolutely redeemed, because I never knew
    what my life will end with.

    Similarly, this is how I look at people from all faiths and
    backgrounds, even irreligious people.

    You never knew what Allah plans for  you.

    You never knew what will happen tomorrow.

     To all of us, life is just a mystery.

    It gradually unfolds as time pass on.

    Thank you, Bob

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        *Sent:*Sunday, October 08, 2017 9:42 PM

        *Subject:*[blind-democracy] Re: Jesus, Christmas and Donald
        Trump for evangelists

        Bob,  Can I ask what publication you wrote this for?  And I
        have another very sincere and honest question: why do you
        care?  Does Allah, most omnipotent, have tolerance for someone
        who drinks alcohol or puts an evergreen up in a church?  Or
        does he punish them and you are worried for the souls of your
        fellow man?

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        *Subject:* [blind-democracy] Jesus, Christmas and Donald Trump
        for evangelists

        Hello. This is Bob Evans. I'm the author of the editorial
        attached below.
        Please, read, fathom and if you wish, interact.

        Bob Evans

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