Yes, but do google that second amendment. I've read quotes of it and it
talks about militias. I also worked with a lot of lawyers and they can
interpret words in whatever way they please. We have fourteen years of the
"war on terror" to illustrate how they do it. Just think how they interpret
"immediate danger", "enhanced interrogation", and "indefinite detainee".
Miriam
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To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Gun Industry Executives Say Mass Shootings
Are Good for Business
You never know, Miriam. Your wish could come true if enough of us anti gun
folk stay out of the line of fire, and all the gun lovers shoot themselves
into the Here After.
The Second Amendment did intend to assure the right for people to arm
themselves in order to protect their towns and fields from intruders like
rustlers and bands of roving Indians.
But the drafters of the Constitution and the Amendments, were living in a
very different world. Muskets were clumsy and had to be muzzle loaded, one
shot at a time. And the early rifles were about as heavy and inaccurate.
Still, most farmers and trappers kept a musket or two around to drive off
predators.
But I've never heard of musket packing bandits robbing folks on their way
home from the saloon, or giving vent to their anger by shooting wildly into
a crowded restaurant.
As to that old tired argument that crooks will always find a way to get a
gun, while the honest citizen has no defense, we should point out that
regulations seem to be effective in safe guarding citizens in other areas.
We all have the right to own a car. But there are strict regulations in
place that help prevent people from doing stupid things with their car, and
placing themselves and others in danger.
We have the right to own our home, if we can afford one, but there are
regulations that protect us from being sold poorly constructed houses.
In fact, these and other regulations keep down the numbers of crooks, and
provide a safer environment for us to enjoy. Why shouldn't we expect gun
regulations to work as well as in other areas?
Carl Jarvis
On 12/4/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If I could write the gun laws, I'd forbid the sale of guns to everyone
unless they had an acceptable reason for wanting to own a gun,
attended a course in gun safety and the ethics of gun use, and then
went through a licensing process. The second amendment had to do with
citizen militias, not an individual's right to own a gun for self
defense. I think the kinds of gun control measures that politicians
are proposing are useless, aside from laws that prohibit the sale of
semi automatic guns and the transport of guns from one state to
another. Those two measures might help some. But basically, we have to
prevent people from being able to acquire guns. And like most of the
other changes that I would like to see in our laws and economic
system, my wish for gun legislation will never come to pass.
Miriam
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Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 12:37 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Gun Industry Executives Say Mass
Shootings Are Good for Business
"Gun Industry Executives Say Mass Shootings Are Good for Business".
These mouthings from murderers only go to the point that weapon
manufacturers are not concerned about the safety of Americans. It's
all about *Profit*.
Endless war? Fuck the People. It's good for business. Who cares
about the people?
Little children and average every day folks, like your grandma or
grandpa, murdered as they sit in restaurants or stroll the Malls.
To us Working Class folks it hurts deeply when the murderers strike
our Home-Land, but we shrug and go back to our mindless entertainment
when it is happening in other Lands.
Allowing the Weapons Barron's to control our lives puts the blood of
all the world's murders on our hands. We are guilty through failure
to take the guns away from those evil War Mongers who are profiting at
the expense of so much suffering.
Carl Jarvis
On 12/4/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
money.
Fang writes: "The Intercept reviewed investor transcripts for gun
companies, ammunition manufacturers, and sporting stores, and found
many instances of industry executives discussing mass shooting
incidents and the resulting political dynamics as lucrative."
Gun sales continue to break records. (photo: Cengiz Yar Jr.AFP/Getty
Images)
Gun Industry Executives Say Mass Shootings Are Good for Business By
Lee Fang, The Intercept
03 December 15
Behind closed doors, speaking with investors and Wall Street
analysts, the gun industry views mass shootings as an opportunity to
make lots of
Ordinary people are despairing about the frequency of tragic events"took place following the tragedy in Sandy Hook."
like the murderous rampage in San Bernardino on Wednesday, or the
Planned Parenthood massacre last week. And the cycle of mass killing,
media frenzy, and political stalemate starts anew each time.
But meanwhile, gun sales continue to break records, a fact that has
not gone ignored by financial analysts.
The Intercept reviewed investor transcripts for gun companies,
ammunition manufacturers, and sporting stores, and found many
instances of industry executives discussing mass shooting incidents
and the resulting political dynamics as lucrative.
Here's how it works. Following a mass shooting, there is talk of gun
control, which the National Rifle Association and other gun advocates
attack as an assault on the Second Amendment. Notably, gun and
ammunition manufacturers often donate, either directly or as a
portion of each sale, to the NRA. The fear of losing gun rights leads
to panic buying, which brings greater profits to gun retailers, gun
companies and their investors.
Gun Distributors
"The gun business was very much accelerated based on what happened
after the election and then the tragedy that happened at Sandy Hook,"
Ed Stack, the chief executive of Dick's Sporting Goods, a leading gun
and ammunition retailer, said in September 2014 at the Goldman Sachs
Global Retailing Conference. Stack noted that the industry saw "panic
buying" when customers "thought there were going to be some very
meaningful changes in our gun"
laws. The new sales "didn't bring hunters in" but rather "brought
shooters into the industry," he added.
In 2012, 20-year-old Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children and 6 adult
staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
Last year, Tommy Millner, the chief executive of Cabela's, a retailer
that sells guns, boasted at an investor conference in Nebraska that
his company made a "conscious decision" to stock additional weapons
merchandise before the 2012 election, hoping Obama's reelection would
result in increased sales. After the election, the Newtown mass
shooting happened, and "the business went vertical . I meant it just
went crazy," Millner said, according to a transcript of the event.
Describing the "tailwinds of profitability," Millner noted Cabela's
"didn't blink as others did to stop selling AR-15 platform guns," and
so his company "got a lot of new customers." The AR-15 is a
high-powered assault rifle based on the military's M-16 model but
without the full automatic capacity, Steven Miller, the chief
executive of Big 5 Sporting Goods, another gun retailer, was asked by
investor analysts in 2013 to describe the state of the market during
a conference call that year. The "real surge" in firearm sales,
Miller said,
Gun and Ammunition Manufacturersfirearms for the first time.
Smith & Wesson chief executive James Debney, speaking to the Roth
Capital Partners conference in 2013, explained that "the tragedy in
Newtown and the legislative landscape" resulted in sales that were
"significantly up." The "fear and uncertainty that there might be
increased gun control," Debney said, "drove many new people to buy
"You can see after a tragedy, there's also a lot of buying," Jeffsaid.
Buchanan, the chief financial officer of Smith & Wesson, told
investors at the RBC Capital Markets conference in September of this
year. Buchanan noted that the political landscape of 2016 is
uncertain, but that fear of gun control could be on the horizon.
Michael Fifer, the chief executive of Sturm Ruger, one of the largest
gunmakers in America, discussed the role of politics in gun sales
during a conference call with investors in 2013. "If you look back at
historical patterns back in late '08, early '09, you saw a huge spike
in accessory sales which then tapered off, and then we saw it again
with the really tragic events at Sandy Hook that started again as
soon as the politicians started talking about restricting legal gun use,"
Fifer
Wall Street Analystsmoney.
Market analysts, including consultants who often hold executives
accountable to investors, have been keen to ask gun companies about
how they are able to respond to surging sales following mass
shootings.
Gautam Khanna, an analyst with Cowen & Co., a market research firm,
interviewed Mark DeYoung, then the chief executive of ATK, an
ammunition manufacturer, at the Cowen Aerospace conference in 2013.
Khanna asked DeYoung if he would make pricing decisions based in part
by the "Newtown shooting tragedy."
DeYoung responded that "obviously we are all shocked" by "what
happened in Newtown and what happened in Aurora, Colorado, and what
happened in Tucson, Arizona, with Gabby Giffords." But, he added, the
company will continue to "respond to market pressures," including
increases in demand. On a separate conference call that year, DeYoung
noted that certain "spikes" in demand have driven sales.
James Holmes killed 12 people and injured more than 70 others after
opening fire in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater in 2012.
In 2011, Jim Barrett, a financial analyst, asked Ruger's Fifer during
a call with investors if the "recent shooting incident in Tucson" -
referring to the shooting that year of Rep. Gabby Giffords - "has
stirred gun owners and prospective gun owners to go visit the stores?"
Bob Sales, another analyst, asked Fifer how his company was preparing
for future gun sales, given that "a combination of the election in
2012 and the Sandy Hook incident . spurred a massive binge of gun
buying."
On a conference call with investors, Millner, the chief executive of
Cabela's, fielded a question about the Aurora mass shooting from an
analyst with Imperial Capital, who asked him if the incident had "any
impact on your business." Millner responded, "I would say that the
trends that you read about in the press, we are experiencing at least
thus far since the incident."
The business rhetoric around mass shootings "doesn't surprise me at all,"
says Ladd Everitt, the director of communications of the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence. Everitt noted that the National Rifle Association,
which is funded by gun manufacturers, often uses similar language
following mass shootings.
"This just shows the guys in the suits understand this and are
utterly cynical about it."
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Gun Industry Executives Say Mass Shootings Are Good for Business By
Lee Fang, The Intercept
03 December 15
ehind closed doors, speaking with investors and Wall Street
analysts, the gun industry views mass shootings as an opportunity to
make lots of
Ordinary people are despairing about the frequency of tragic events"took place following the tragedy in Sandy Hook."
like the murderous rampage in San Bernardino on Wednesday, or the
Planned Parenthood massacre last week. And the cycle of mass killing,
media frenzy, and political stalemate starts anew each time.
But meanwhile, gun sales continue to break records, a fact that has
not gone ignored by financial analysts.
The Intercept reviewed investor transcripts for gun companies,
ammunition manufacturers, and sporting stores, and found many
instances of industry executives discussing mass shooting incidents
and the resulting political dynamics as lucrative.
Here's how it works. Following a mass shooting, there is talk of gun
control, which the National Rifle Association and other gun advocates
attack as an assault on the Second Amendment. Notably, gun and
ammunition manufacturers often donate, either directly or as a
portion of each sale, to the NRA. The fear of losing gun rights leads
to panic buying, which brings greater profits to gun retailers, gun
companies and their investors.
Gun Distributors
"The gun business was very much accelerated based on what happened
after the election and then the tragedy that happened at Sandy Hook,"
Ed Stack, the chief executive of Dick's Sporting Goods, a leading gun
and ammunition retailer, said in September 2014 at the Goldman Sachs
Global Retailing Conference. Stack noted that the industry saw "panic
buying" when customers "thought there were going to be some very
meaningful changes in our gun"
laws. The new sales "didn't bring hunters in" but rather "brought
shooters into the industry," he added.
In 2012, 20-year-old Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children and 6 adult
staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
Last year, Tommy Millner, the chief executive of Cabela's, a retailer
that sells guns, boasted at an investor conference in Nebraska that
his company made a "conscious decision" to stock additional weapons
merchandise before the 2012 election, hoping Obama's reelection would
result in increased sales. After the election, the Newtown mass
shooting happened, and "the business went vertical . I meant it just
went crazy," Millner said, according to a transcript of the event.
Describing the "tailwinds of profitability," Millner noted Cabela's
"didn't blink as others did to stop selling AR-15 platform guns," and
so his company "got a lot of new customers." The AR-15 is a
high-powered assault rifle based on the military's M-16 model but
without the full automatic capacity, Steven Miller, the chief
executive of Big 5 Sporting Goods, another gun retailer, was asked by
investor analysts in 2013 to describe the state of the market during
a conference call that year. The "real surge" in firearm sales,
Miller said,
Gun and Ammunition Manufacturersfirearms for the first time.
Smith & Wesson chief executive James Debney, speaking to the Roth
Capital Partners conference in 2013, explained that "the tragedy in
Newtown and the legislative landscape" resulted in sales that were
"significantly up." The "fear and uncertainty that there might be
increased gun control," Debney said, "drove many new people to buy
"You can see after a tragedy, there's also a lot of buying," Jeffsaid.
Buchanan, the chief financial officer of Smith & Wesson, told
investors at the RBC Capital Markets conference in September of this
year. Buchanan noted that the political landscape of 2016 is
uncertain, but that fear of gun control could be on the horizon.
Michael Fifer, the chief executive of Sturm Ruger, one of the largest
gunmakers in America, discussed the role of politics in gun sales
during a conference call with investors in 2013. "If you look back at
historical patterns back in late '08, early '09, you saw a huge spike
in accessory sales which then tapered off, and then we saw it again
with the really tragic events at Sandy Hook that started again as
soon as the politicians started talking about restricting legal gun use,"
Fifer
Wall Street Analysts
Market analysts, including consultants who often hold executives
accountable to investors, have been keen to ask gun companies about
how they are able to respond to surging sales following mass
shootings.
Gautam Khanna, an analyst with Cowen & Co., a market research firm,
interviewed Mark DeYoung, then the chief executive of ATK, an
ammunition manufacturer, at the Cowen Aerospace conference in 2013.
Khanna asked DeYoung if he would make pricing decisions based in part
by the "Newtown shooting tragedy."
DeYoung responded that "obviously we are all shocked" by "what
happened in Newtown and what happened in Aurora, Colorado, and what
happened in Tucson, Arizona, with Gabby Giffords." But, he added, the
company will continue to "respond to market pressures," including
increases in demand. On a separate conference call that year, DeYoung
noted that certain "spikes" in demand have driven sales.
James Holmes killed 12 people and injured more than 70 others after
opening fire in an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater in 2012.
In 2011, Jim Barrett, a financial analyst, asked Ruger's Fifer during
a call with investors if the "recent shooting incident in Tucson" -
referring to the shooting that year of Rep. Gabby Giffords - "has
stirred gun owners and prospective gun owners to go visit the stores?"
Bob Sales, another analyst, asked Fifer how his company was preparing
for future gun sales, given that "a combination of the election in
2012 and the Sandy Hook incident . spurred a massive binge of gun
buying."
On a conference call with investors, Millner, the chief executive of
Cabela's, fielded a question about the Aurora mass shooting from an
analyst with Imperial Capital, who asked him if the incident had "any
impact on your business." Millner responded, "I would say that the
trends that you read about in the press, we are experiencing at least
thus far since the incident."
The business rhetoric around mass shootings "doesn't surprise me at all,"
says Ladd Everitt, the director of communications of the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence. Everitt noted that the National Rifle Association,
which is funded by gun manufacturers, often uses similar language
following mass shootings.
"This just shows the guys in the suits understand this and are
utterly cynical about it."
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