Well Roger, I was being flippant, and I shouldn't have been. So I
apologize for that.
I guess I get frustrated when personalities clash and I can't do
anything to make it all better. By nature I am a rescuer, and through
childhood experiences I am a worrier. But that's my problem to deal
with. Since I receive so much information on this list, that is hard
to collect from other sources, I worry that something will cause folks
to leave the List and it will wither and die.
But also, and more importantly, I have come to really like both you
and Miriam. I don't want to see either of you drop from this list.
Both of you post thought provoking articles, and you both make good
observations on what is going on in the world.
So again, I am sorry that I was somewhat thoughtless, and I hope the
two of you will continue to post.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/4/16, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl, I don't know what you mean by cold, but can you even imagine how
frustrating it is to try one's best to offer help for a problem that
someone else is having and get some kind of smart-ass bashing like
that? I assure you that it is perplexing, frustrating and irritating.
It causes me to experience some amount of anger too. Really, if I am
wrong about my advice I am wrong. But where does this nonsense about my
calling people lazy fools or being condescending come from? There is
simply nothing like that in what I said.
On 6/4/2016 10:50 AM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Now that's cold, Roger...cold, I tell you.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/3/16, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, Miriam, I am not the most competent person with computers myself,
so when you do find competent help it will not be me. Whoever it is,
though, I hope you can take advice from that person without claiming
that he or she is lecturing you as if you are a lazy fool. When you
react to people who are trying to help you like that then that kind of
reaction can interfere with your learning new things too.
On 6/3/2016 2:24 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Roger responded to me on list when I have said, over and over again,
that
I'm not receiving anything from the list. What does that tell you?
I have looked and looked at the G mail page. I even found all the key
strokes for screen readers. I even found the notification from
freelists
that I'd asked to subscribe, and after incredible difficulty, accessed
the
email and gone to the link to reply. So it's not like I was just
sitting
back and whining and doing nothing. However, although it may be
difficult
for Roger to accept, we don't all function in the same manner or have
the
same skill sets. Frank has told me that I can use G mail through my
Outlook
email program, but it requires some actions to be completed. He
outlined
them. I hope he included everything because my sighted friend who is
quite
competent with a computer, might be able to do it. However, most
people,
sighted or not, would not know what to do. I'd prefer that someone with
real
competence and confidence, do it remotely. Right now, I can't find
anyone.
I
have no doubt, however, that Roger has the capability to learn how to
do
these things for himself. I don't begrudge him that capability. I just
don't
want to be lectured at and be made to sound like a lazy fool because I
can't.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Jarvis [mailto:carjar82@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 10:41 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Miriam Vieni
Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: G Mail
I'm assuming that the message here was from Roger. Very logical.
And very direct. In my youth, had I encountered a teacher who sounded
like
Roger, I would have shrunk back in my seat, red faced with
embarrassment.
But at my advanced age, and with years of working with a wide variety
of
people, I have come to believe that all brains do not track the same.
And
in this, they are neither superior nor inferior to one another. Just
different.
I have had the misfortune to have read, over and over, pages of
instructions, referred to me on-line. "Help" files usually mean,
"Trouble",
for me. If I simply read these pages, I would come away wondering how
I'd
ever reached my current age, and status. But from experience, I know
that
I
am teachable. I just need to have hands on instruction.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/2/16, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't know which email program you are using, but just set it up toto answer them.
receive messages from your Gmail address the same way you set it up to
receive the email from your other address and then use it just like
you have been using your email all along. It would be good, though, to
log into your account at mail.google.com and poke around adjusting
settings until you have it configured the way you want it. I suppose
you will be saying that you don't have a clue how to do that either.
Here is the advice that I give everyone who is visiting a web site
that they are planning to make regular use of. Put your screen reader
on continuous read and read the entire home page from top to bottom
including any navigation headings and footers. While you are doing
that take note of any links labeled FAQ, about us or other links that
promise to give you information about the site. Then click on each of
those links and read the pages you are taken to from top to bottom
too. If there are instructions then follow them. Once you do that and
familiarize yourself with the web site you will be in a much better
position to ask intelligent questions if you still do not understand
something. There are so many people who have not bothered to take
these steps to familiarize themselves with a web site they are going
to use and then get on email lists and ask questions so broad that
even an expert on that site will have a hard time knowing where to
start
On 6/2/2016 6:52 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Have an account, but don't have a clue how to use it.
Miriam
