Frank, this is not Islamophobia. It is xenophobia mixed with racial
disparity. I am taken aback as to who could have been fooled so
easily.
On 9/27/18, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Just more islam-a-phobia running amuck spreading obvious lies and this times
the originator and the venue that spread it (Fox) got caught.
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Richard Driscoll
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 4:12 PM
To: Carolyn <chaas0217@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Freedom of expression
Snopes has listed the following report with a mixed classification. There
are a multitude of reports on this subject. None of which, in my opinion,
contain nothing but the truth. I have removed the pictures from the copy
because of the problems with Windows and various screen readers.
R. E. Driscoll
Did a Dry Run Hijacking Take Place on Flight 297?
An account of Muslims' allegedly engaging in a 'dry run' hijacking on
AirTran Flight 297 was contradicted by airline officials.
CLAIM
Account describes Muslims allegedly engaging in a "dry run" hijacking on
AirTran Flight 297.
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ORIGIN
One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday,
November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may
have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to
Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before
takeoff. It was on Fox.
This was NOT what happened.
I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full
attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the
plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the
stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that
time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the
back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very
aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she
repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He
ignored her as if she was not there.
The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd
stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in
the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a
porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now …
they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into
a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her.
(don’t ask me … I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied).
The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic
devices on at this time. To which one of the men said “shut up infidel dog!”
She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic.
At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin.
This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I
heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say “I got your
back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said “you
WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him
around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his
neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and
said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now
and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3
TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were
told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to
oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments,
all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.
We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen,
when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes
front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the
back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it!
Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the
TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The
agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their
luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to
Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent â??we and
our crew will not fly this plane!â? After a word or two, the entire crew,
luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again
and a whole new crew walked on.
Again … this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked “What the hell
is going on!?!?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay
and I would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The
stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m
mad!) I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine
with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through
that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I
heard a voice behind me say “so am I”. Then everyone behind us started to
get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane
where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5
hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people
who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston
at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.
Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston.
If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. They wanted to see how
TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers
would handle it.
I’m telling this to you because I want you to know …
The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes …
In mid-November 2009, a brief Associated Press news
account<https://web.archive.org/web/20091121030304/https:/www.khou.com/news/Phone-call-delays-Houston-bound-AirTran-flight-70369417.html>
reported an incident that had taken place on an AirTran Airways flight from
Atlanta to Houston, one which resulted in the plane’s returning to the gate
and departing 2½ hours late due to a passenger who would not shut off his
cell phone when so directed by a flight attendant.
A fuller
article<http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/faa-to-investigate-cell-phone-use-on-atlanta-fligh/nQZJ4/>
published by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, who interviewed a woman
seated directly behind the passenger in question, provided more detail: The
passenger with the cell phone was part of a larger group (eleven others,
plus an interpreter) seated throughout the plane; the passenger and the
interpreter were asked to step off the plane (the other eleven members of
the group also left the plane, although they eventually reboarded the same
flight, while the passenger and the interpreter took a later flight); twelve
other passengers also took up the airline’s offer to allow them to leave the
plane and take a different flight; and a new crew eventually manned the
flight when it finally departed.
An AirTran spokesman said the issue was a simple matter of a passenger who
would not turn off his cell phone when directed (a situation complicated by
the passenger’s inability to speak English), requiring the flight to return
to the gate:
It’s unclear whether he was talking on the phone, snapping photos or
texting, AirTran spokesman Christopher White said. But to airline officials
and flight attendants, it didn’t matter. The Boeing 717 had pulled away from
the gate, and the phone was on, White said.
“Flight attendants were telling him, ‘Turn off the phone, turn off the
phone,'” White said.
“We can’t taxi with the cell phone on, and we certainly can’t take off,”
White said. “Language barrier or not, you start to butt up against
interfering with a flight crew.”
Although the incident was reported to the Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA), the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) said it would not
follow up, as it was a customer service issue and not a security issue:
“Passengers are required to follow instructions of the flight attendants,”
regional FAA spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said. AirTran reported the incident
to the FAA, Bergen said. The federal Transportation Security Administration
will not handle the incident, saying it is a customer-service issue between
the passenger and the airline, a TSA spokesman said.
The woman on the flight who was interviewed by the Journal-Constitution
maintained that the passenger in question had a camera, not a cell phone,
and that the incident was merely one of confusion involving a non-English
speaking passenger which was blown out of proportion due to “poor
communication”:
The woman sitting behind the man said it wasn’t a phone at all, and feels
the entire incident was the result of poor communication.
“He was not talking on a cell phone, it was a camera,” said Nancy Deveikis
of Marietta. “He was looking at pictures.”
A flight attendant asked the man twice to turn off the device, Deveikis
said. But it was clear the man did not speak English, she said. Although the
man was traveling with others, the rest of the group was seated throughout
the plane.
When the man did not respond to the flight attendant, she took the camera
from him, Deveikis said.
“She grabbed it from his hand and basically said I’ll be holding this until
you get off the plane,” Deveikis said.
Deveikis said she never heard the one flight attendant use the word “phone”
when speaking to the man.
[Deveikis said] the whole incident, which scared other passengers who
weren’t clear what was happening, could have easily been avoided.
“Just one flight attendant snowed everyone into believing she had an irate
passenger,” Deveikis said.
Shortly after these events, a widely circulated account of the incident
(reproduced above) appeared on the Internet from Todd Petruna, who
maintained that he was a passenger on the referenced flight and that what
really took place was quite different than what was reported in the news.
According to Petruna, Muslim passengers on the flight were potential
terrorists who were making a “dry run” at hijacking an airliner.
In anther account, a
chaplain<http://espositosmusings.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/air-tran-flight-297-incident1.pdf>
who was originally slated to fly on Flight 297 (but had arrived late and
missed the initial boarding) reported that another passenger who left the
plane before its eventual take-off told him that, as stated in Todd
Petruna’s message, the incident involved more than the single passenger
mentioned by AirTran representatives and news reports:
12 men of Middle Eastern appearance stood up and began dancing and singing
in an Arabic dialect. They refused to be seated when directed to do so by
the flight attendants. Then, the singing stopped and some of the men took
out their cell phones and began taking pictures of the other individual
passengers. Again, the men were ordered to be seated by the flight crew and
refused while continuing to take their pictures. Next, the de-boarded
passenger related that a few of the men gestured [using their fingers] as
imaginary guns, indicating with their triggering action that they would
shoot the people on the plane.
However, none of the news accounts of the Flight 297 incident mentioned
members of a passenger group screaming insults at the flight crew or being
bodily ejected from the plane by other passengers. On 4 December 2009,
AirTran issued a point-by-point
rebuttal<http://web.archive.org/web/20100208221214/http:/www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200>
of the original account, maintaining (among other statements) that the
members of the group in question were dressed just like other passengers
(rather than in “Muslim attire”), that there were no reports of their
screaming insults at crew members, that there were no reports of any of them
standing up in a threatening manner, that there were no physical
altercations between any passengers, that the group’s bags were not removed
from the plane, that none of the group members was determined to pose a
security threat, that there was no TSA agent on the plane, and that no
passenger was refused permission to get off the plane:
On November 17, 2009, AirTran flight 297 was scheduled to travel from
Atlanta to Houston-Hobby. During taxi a passenger was non-compliant with
Crew Members, using a cell phone and taking pictures. The flight taxied back
to the gate and the passenger, who did not speak English, and his companion
acting as his interpreter were asked to de-plane. They were met by customer
service personnel and TSA.
The passengers were allowed to re-board and continued on the flight after
speaking with AirTran and TSA representatives. The flight was delayed by
more than two hours.
Since the flight and initial media reports, several blogs and Internet sites
have recounted the incident as portrayed by a passenger originally scheduled
for the flight. Below is that passenger’s account (unedited in any way
including spelling and grammar), as reported on several blogs. Highlighted
between the passenger’s account, are the factually accurate circumstances
surrounding this incident.
We bring this to your attention in order to dispel myths that are beginning
to make the rounds in chat rooms, blogs and conspiracy theorists’ Web
sites.
AirTran 297 – Anatomy of an Urban
Legend<http://web.archive.org/web/20100208221214/http:/www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200>
AirTran also issued a statement maintaining that Todd Petruna not actually a
passenger on Flight 297:
After conducting additional research into this situation, we have verified,
according to flight manifests (legally binding documents) that the
individual that allegedly created a first-hand account of events on-board
AirTran Airways flight 297, a Theodore Petruna, was never actually on-board
the flight.
According to all available records, Mr. Petruna’s trip originated from
Akron-Canton, Ohio (CAK) on AirTran flight 205. This flight arrived at the
gate in Atlanta at 5:06 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Flight 297, the flight
which Mr. Petruna allegedly wrote a first-hand account of, originally pushed
back from its gate in Atlanta at 4:40 p.m. EST, a full 26 minutes before
flight 205 arrived at the gate in Atlanta, making this flight connection
impossible.
While Mr. Petruna was originally scheduled to begin his journey on AirTran
flight 202 from CAK and connect to flight 297 in Atlanta he did not make
that original flight.
According to a Marietta Daily Journal reporter and Houston station KHOU-TV,
the e-mail’s author acknowledged he had embellished his account but
maintained that he was in fact on the flight:
He admits that his description of the men’s attire was wrong, [that] he
didn’t personally see anyone watching pornographic videos, [and that] he’d
taken artistic license with a couple points, never imagining [his account]
would travel beyond his circle of friends.
AirTran [posted] the assertion that the disputed e-mail writer from Texas,
according to “legally binding” flight manifests, wasn’t on the plane.
The e-mail writer [said] AirTran is lying and he has his boarding pass.
Another Flight 297 passenger interviewed by Atlanta television station WSB
stated that although he did see a number of Middle Eastern passengers on the
flight walking around, interacting with each other, and being uncooperative
with the flight crew, and although he felt AirTran mishandled the incident
(primarily by not communicating information about the situation to other
passengers), none of the group in question was dancing, singing, taking
pictures, or ended up being manhandled off the airplane by other passengers.
He also stated that he talked to the pilots on the replacement crew and they
reported they felt perfectly safe in flying the plane, and that he thought
the claim that the group of Middle Easterners were potential hijackers or
terrorists to be “far-fetched.”
(Contrary to common belief, the fact that a replacement crew was used to
complete the flight is not an indicator that the original flight crew
refused to continue or felt the situation to be unsafe. When flights
experience substantial delays in taking off, as Flight 297 did that day,
that situation sometimes requires that the original crew be replaced because
otherwise they would “time out” and exceed FAA limitations on maximum hours
per working period.)
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Published:4 December 2009
Updated:30 August 2018
On 9/22/2018 3:22 PM, Carolyn wrote:
Here I will express why I believe this type of thinking is hogwash and why
I
am disolutioned with the Muslim population overall.
From:
Subject: FW: CANCELLED FLIGHT: Muslims cause problems
11 Muslims cause problems on flight from Atlanta to Houston
Why isn't this in your politically correct media, if this is such a
democracy?
Tedd Petruna is a diver at the NBL (Neutral Buoyancy Lab) facility at NASA
Houston .. Tedd happened to be on the AirTran Flight 297, from Atlanta to
Houston . Here's his report :
"One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday,
the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have
seen
a blurb about where an Air Tran flight was canceled from Atlanta to Houston
due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before take- off..
The
story was only on Fox News That was NOT what really happened.
I was seated in 1st class coming home. Eleven Muslim men got on the plane
in
full Muslim attire. Two of them sat in 1st class and the rest seated
themselves throughout the plane, in coach class, all the way to the back.
As
the plane taxied out to the runway, the stewardesses gave the safety spiel
that we are all so familiar with.
At that time, one of the men in 1st class, got on his cell and called one
of
his companions back in coach. He proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic
very loudly and very, very aggressively. This activity took the 1st
stewardess out of action for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones
were not permitted at that time. He ignored her as if she were not there.
The man, who answered the phone back in the coach section, did the same and
this took out the 2nd stewardess. Further back in the plane, at the same
time, two younger Muslims, one in the back on the aisle, and one sitting in
front of him by the window, began to show footage of a porno video they had
taped the night before. They were very loud about it.
The 3rd stewardess informed the two men that they were not to have any
electronic devices on at this time. One of the men said "shut up infidel
dog!"
The stewardess attempted to take the camcorder and the Muslim began to
scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all eleven of the men
got up and started to walk throughout the cabin. I guess that because of
the
noise, the flight crew must have decided that there was something amiss and
changed the plane's directions to head back to the terminal.
The commotion and noise was reaching a feverish pitch, and at this point I
had had enough! I got up and started towards the back of 1st class when I
heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size, say, "I got your
back" Then I grabbed the man, who had been on the cell phone, by the arm
and
said, "You WILL sit down in your seat or you WILL be thrown from this
plane!" As I "led" him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed
him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed him back to his seat.
I
then grabbed the 2nd man and said, "You WILL do the same!"
He protested loudly, but my adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to
go also. Just as I escorted him forward, the plane stopped, the doors
opened
and three TSA agents and four police officers entered the cabin. Myself and
my new Texas friend were told to cease and desist for they had the
situation
under control ??.
I was quite happy to oblige, actually. There was still some sort of
commotion in the back, but within moments, all eleven Muslim men were
escorted off the plane. The TSA agents then had their luggage unloaded. We
talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happened.
Then suddenly, the door opened again and in walked all eleven Muslim men!
Stone faced, eyes front and robotic, (the only way I can describe it) and
they were reseated. The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when
she saw the men, she was having NONE of it! Since I was up front, I heard
and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agents that there was NO WAY she
was staying on the plane with the Muslim men. The "agent" told her that
they
had searched the men and were going through their luggage with a fine tooth
comb. However, nothing had been found and that the men were allowed to
proceed on to Houston.
The captain and co-captain came out of the cockpit and told the TSA
"agent",
"We and our crew will not fly this plane!" After a word or two, the entire
crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. Five minutes later, the cabin door
opened again and a whole new crew walked on. Again, this was where I had
had
enough! I got up and asked the TSA agent," What the hell is going on?
I was told to take my seat. The airlines and TSA were sorry for the delay
and we would be home shortly. I said, "I'm getting off this plane". The
stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. Now I'm
really mad! I said, "I am a grown man who bought this ticket, whose time is
mine, with a family at home, and I am going through that door, or I'm going
through that door with you under my arm, but I AM going through that door!"
And then I heard a voice behind me say, "So am I!" Then everyone behind us
started to get up and say the same thing. Within two minutes, I was walking
off that plane where I was met by more TSA agents, who asked me to write a
statement about the incident. I had five hours to kill at this point
waiting
for the next flight to Houston , so why the hell not give them my
statement.
Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was canceled. I was
supposed to be in Houston at 6 PM, but I finally got there at 12:30 AM. If
you don't believe this, look up the date and then Flight 297 from Atlanta
to
Houston.
If this wasn't a terrorism dry run, I don't know what is. The terrorists
wanted to see how "TSA"(thousands standing around) would handle it, how the
crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it. I'm telling
this to you because I want you to know. The threat IS real. I saw it with
my
own eyes."
Tedd Petruna
May I request that you keep this going until this incident reaches the
of all POLITICIANS and the news media!
PEOPLE THAT DELETE THIS TYPE OF EMAIL, REFUSE TO PASS IT ON, OR SIMPLY
DON'T
CARE ARE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE THAT DO CARE CAN'T MAKE ANY
HEADWAY.. THE THREATS ARE REAL.
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Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Freedom of expression
Bob:
It certainly appears that the grapes are sour!
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 21, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Mostafa
<ebob824@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Freedom of speech is the right to express your independent opinions
and convictions in public without being restrained, threatened or
censored. Ordinarily, the United States is prejudiciously portrayed as
the paragon of free expression worldwide. I distinctly destine to pick
Americanism apart. Each and everyone in many regions across the globe
is entitled to opine his opinion freely. The United States did not
invent the right of free expression. It is not exclusive to American
Constitution or its amendments. Freedom of expression is openly
practiced therein as long as Islam is incessantly denigrated.
Nevertheless, if someone oppugned the holocaust or its chronicle's
authenticity, for instance, he is instantly subjected to counterfeit
allegations of antisemitism. This is my endeavour concern of American
double standard. When a Muslim Commits mass murder, he is
unhesitatingly labelled with perpetrating terror. However, if a white
supremacist committed mass murder with even higher rate of fatalities,
he is classified as a demented and atypical individual. I have no
idea, how to illustrate this plain contradiction? How could you be
fairish and oppressive simultaneously? I respect decent Americans. Be
that as it may, as to Americanism, how could you consistently be
guilty, jury and judge concurrently? Freedom of expression is the
major factor by which the United States is allegedly portrayed with
unprecedented prodigy. However, freedom of expression therein seems to
somewhat be infructuous. So for instance, as to America's longstanding
crisis of culpably perennial fatal mass shootings, the National Rifle
Association blocks any congressional bill which aims to relatively
rectify the pitiful situation. For them, the subject is just
unforfeitable. Thence, freedom of expression resembles emptied
rhetoric at some point. If your freedom of expression doesn't allow
you to enact freely, your words may equate some bunch of barking dogs.
Who cares if the dog barks at him? In other words, if the National
Rifle Association listens incautiously to periodical congressional
criticism of irrepressible munition across the nation, what is the
significance of their critique then? What is the point of
congressional authorities being critical of unrestricted gun mongers?
I urge you folks to ponder on my proposition. Yes, here in Egypt,
freedom of expression is perfectly missing. If someone spoke against
Sisi's regime or his coup based governance, he is emphatically
subjected to scathingly be detained, imprisoned and ruthlessly
excruciated. We recognise that and we fairly admit freedom of
expression total absence. This is quite unfortunate but factual. We
couldn't deny it or wrongly fend for the military based dictator.
However, we strenuously strive in the cause of favourably retaining
its prosperity. Liberal media may have spoke against Donald Trump and
his policies of implementing racial disparity in addition to farther
major catastrophes hitherto, they are not able to alter the way he
deliberately perpetrates cruelty. So for instance, as for the issue of
remanded children because their parents immigrated illicitly, why
haven't they been just expatriated along with their families? The
media brought the subject briefly and then, closed the file while the
prob hasn't yet been resolved. Principally, the conception of
unequivocally free speech in the United States is an enormous fib. Do
you know what is really free in the States? It is greed and corporal
establishment. This vividly reflects the dominance of patrician
landholders of the American South as of pastoral panel and other
chiselers. Who could have spoke out against Israel's brutality which
is relentlessly imposed on decently innocent civilians as of women and
children in the congressional arena? There is no one member in the
Congress who could have spoke in the favour of Palestinian refugee
crisis unless he aims to infinitely lose his seat. Is this what you
ironically call freedom? I believe it is crucial to sincerely
reconsider the American portraiture of free expression and measure
that according to actual information. Is American vision of free
expression sufficiently genuine? I won't answer this question for now.
I'll rather leave it at your hand, so you could have a chance to think
about it and come up with the proper answer. I destine to considerably
expand the discussion of this subject because it is of mutual
interest. I at least think so. Thank you for reading, Mustafa Almahdy.
Best wishes, it is always hope that gives meaning to life.
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