Well, a whole bunch of newspapers and TV channels all told the same story
about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and it was a lie, a lie told to
the world by our government. And a whole bunch of newspapers and TV channels
lied about what happened in Ukraine in 2014, and about what happened in
Gaza. And if I hadn't had sources of information other than American mass
media, I might have assumed each time that because all these American media
sources were saying the same thing, it was true. The reason that all those
folks on the DB Review list got so bent out of shape when I told them about
a book written by a Palestinian journalist, is that they were sure that
whatever was in that book must be a lie because they were sure that they
knew the whole truth about the attack on Gaza. They assumed that what they'd
heard on their TV's and radios and read in the NYT was the truth.
Miriam
Miriam
________________________________
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of R. E. Driscoll Sr
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 5:43 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Fidel Castro on Obama's visit to Cuba
Miriam:
So your implication is that three widely difference sources tell who about
the same story because they have had a meeting and agreed upon the text.
Have I got that correct? Come on now, Miriam. In my world of 90 years I
have heard these theories and have, as yet, not been able to substantiate
same on a world wide basis.
Richard
On 3/31/2016 12:19 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
OK. I'll look at them at some point. But Yahoo is just part of the
corporate
media. I'm sorry, but given the fact that are news media are managed
by
corporate interests, and these are the same interests whom the US
government
supports with its foreign policy, it's hard to see them as objective
sources
of information about Cuba, or much else. US policy has been to
dominate Cuba
for economic reasons, for the benefit of US business. That has been
its
policy in Latin America. That is its policy in the Middle East. And
war
makes money for big corporations which is one reason that it
continues,
regardless of its effects on people. Our corporations make money by
supplying our country with munitions and by selling them to other
countries.
The US policy toward Cuba is changing because of economic necessity,
because
the US was losing influence in Latin America on account of its
policy toward
Cuba. And Cuba moved to a mixed economy. So now, suddenly, all these
US
corporations want to go back into Cuba. They've decided the embargo
is
stupid and against their interests. Business interests always
dominate. Just
look at how our relationship with China has changed. And nothing
about
China's autocratic system has changed. It's much worse than Cuba's
system
ever was.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of R. E.
Driscoll Sr
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 12:46 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] Re: RE: Fidel
Castro on
Obama's visit to Cuba
Miriam - Bob:
The following links are applicable to the question.
(1)
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrTccQ_U_1W4iMALlMnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNmwxbnR
iBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE3MTlfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1459471296/RO=10/R
U=http%3a%2f%2fwww.hrw.org%2freports%2f1999%2fcuba%2fCuba996-06.htm/RK=0/RS=
S9ai76s8DW7iWm5OHJ2s_LthK.w-
(2)http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrTccQ_U_1W4iMAMFMnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEybnMx
czAwBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjE3MTlfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1459471296/RO=1
0/RU=https%3a%2f%2fen.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fHuman_rights_in_Cuba/RK=0/RS=2J
FvCUviU_7ZEQl50hWVmmor17I-
(3)http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrTccQ_U_1W4iMAMVMnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEydjhs
N24yBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDQjE3MTlfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1459471296/RO=1
0/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cubaverdad.net%2ftorture_in_cuba.htm/RK=0/RS=iPIy_h_Y_
7neaOSTASQrnrbpOWg-
There are others our there.
Richard
On 3/31/2016 8:12 AM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Bob,
My problem is that I don't know how badly Cuba treats
prisoners or
how many
prisoners it has. I can't depend on the US media for
accurate
information on
this. Sylvie has indicated briefly to me, that Cuba has a
history of
imprisoning dissidents. But I haven't read anything from
trustworthy,
neutral sources regarding details. Given its proximity to
the US and
given
the constant efforts to subvert its government that the US
has made
up to
the present time, I can see why Cuba might have taken
defensive
measures.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Bob
Hachey
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:41 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] RE: [blind-democracy] Re:
[blind-democracy] RE:
[blind-democracy] Fidel Castro on Obama's visit to Cuba
Hi Richard,
No, I don't think that would be mean given how the Castro
brothers
treat
those living in Cuba who disagree with their point of view.
Obviously, it's
not all black and white here as the US is responsible for
driving
Fidel
Castro into the arms of the Soviets back at the beginning of
his
reign.
Also, Cuba is to be commended for its generosity during many
crises
throughout the world. Given that Cuba is not a wealthy
nation, it is
far
more generous than is the United States.
Bob Hachey
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
R. E.
Driscoll Sr
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 12:13 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [blind-democracy] RE:
[blind-democracy] Fidel
Castro on Obama's visit to Cuba
All:
Would it be mean to generally indicate that Cuba has been a
bad
actor over
the past years?
Richard
On 3/30/2016 2:00 PM, Bob Hachey wrote:
Hi Roger,
No doubt that "the empire" as Fidel calls the US has
acted
badly
toward Cuba and many others. But, given Cuba's history of
holding
political
prisoners, his words ring a bit hollow to me.
Just as the United States is hypocritical when
complaining
about the
human rights records of other nations, Cuba is equally
hypocritical.
Bob Hachey
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