Agreed, Miriam. But when the authors are inciting violence, that
needs to be delt with. I would suggest that, rather than closing out
accounts, Twitter, Facebook and others would better serve democracy by
attaching a note explaining how the writer had violated the laws, and
then send a copy to the authorities.
By shutting down the accounts of the people I've seen listed, all that
does is to reinforce the belief that the socialists and Democrats are
controling the media.
Carl Jarvis
On 1/9/21, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
We do not block people's speech because we don't approve of the speech. ThatAgreed, Miriam. But when the authors are inciting violence, that
is, we don't do that in a true democracy. We don't have different rules for
different kinds of speech. We do have laws regulating what Presidents may
or may not do and Trump has been breaking those laws from the start.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 8:29 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Sign the petition: Insurrection in the
Capitol
Miriam, it is far beyond blocking someone they don't agree with. This is
about blocking violence. That is not the same argument as it was with
Mustafa. With all that he says I never heard him advocate violence.
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:06 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Sign the petition: Insurrection in the
Capitol
I am uncomfortable with Big Tech muting anyone. As for Mustafa, he continued
to email all of us privately so you didn't really mute him. What you
accomplished was to save us from deleting all of the emails that contained
the argument between the two of you. It was much easier to block him from my
email program, even though I've had to block a succession of his email
addresses. However, allowing these private monopolies to block everyone
whose opinions they disapprove of, is a whole different issue.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 8:09 PM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Sign the petition: Insurrection in the
Capitol
Re: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Sign the petition: Insurrection in the
Capitol
I just turned off the television where I was watching Out Front on CNN.
They read part of the statement that Twitter made with the announcement of
their Trump ban. I can't quote it, but they said that there was a lot of
chatter on their platform, especially among Trump followers, about another
attack on the capitol and on various statehouses on January 19, 20 and 21.
They were afraid that Trump would encourage that violence. They had already
suspended his account for the rest of his presidency, but they have now
suspended it permanently for using that account to incite violence. This
news program also said that word has come out of the White House that they
are looking into alternative means for the president to get out his
statements and videos. Let me add one more thing and I do not mean to
express approval of this. The courts have ruled any number of times that the
first amendment means that prohibitions of freedom of speech are illegal,
but that no one is obligated to facilitate speech with which they disagree.
That means that private organizations like Twitter or Facebook can legally
ban anyone and any ideas that they want.
The trouble with that is that when they manage to nearly monopolize the most
common ways to express oneself they effectively control what can and cannot
be said effectively violating freedom of speech. That is why I was so
reluctant to mute Mustafa. This list is only a very small forum and there
are a lot of much bigger forums where he can get a much larger audience, but
still by muting him I prohibited him from exercising his freedom of speech
here. I never have felt comfortable with that.
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emotionally or otherwise, by adhering to a falsehood, regardless of how
comfortable or sacred that falsehood may appear. Anyone who claims, on the
one hand, that he is concerned with human welfare, and who demands, on the
other hand, that man must suspend or renounce the use of his reason, is
contradicting himself. There can be no knowledge of what is good for man
apart from knowledge of reality and human nature, and there is no manner in
which this knowledge can be acquired except through reason. To advocate
irrationality is to advocate that which is destructive to human life.” ―
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On 1/8/2021 4:16 PM, Frank Ventura wrote:
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Miriam, I think there is a distinct difference between “political speech”
and inciting violence and insurrection. There is a point where a venue
(electronic or otherwise) must draw a line if for no other reason than to
protect themselves from being culpable in the court of public opinion.
Frank
From:
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<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 4:11 PM
To:
blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Sign the petition: Insurrection in the
Capitol
He was also banned from Facebook.
What are the implications of huge private tech companies barring people
because of their political speech? It's happened to a lot of private
citizens and alternative websites. Now it's happened to an insane president
inciting insurrection.
Miriam
From:
blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:47 PM
To: blind-democracy <
blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: FW: Sign the petition: Insurrection in the
Capitol
Trump has been banned from Twitter.
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George H. Smith “It is my firm conviction that man has nothing to gain,
emotionally or otherwise, by adhering to a falsehood, regardless of how
comfortable or sacred that falsehood may appear. Anyone who claims, on the
one hand, that he is concerned with human welfare, and who demands, on the
other hand, that man must suspend or renounce the use of his reason, is
contradicting himself. There can be no knowledge of what is good for man
apart from knowledge of reality and human nature, and there is no manner in
which this knowledge can be acquired except through reason. To advocate
irrationality is to advocate that which is destructive to human life.” ―
George H. Smith, Atheism:
The Case Against God
On 1/8/2021 12:23 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
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Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:33 AM
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Miriam,
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George H. Smith “It is my firm conviction that man has nothing to gain,
emotionally or otherwise, by adhering to a falsehood, regardless of how
comfortable or sacred that falsehood may appear. Anyone who claims, on the
one hand, that he is concerned with human welfare, and who demands, on the
other hand, that man must suspend or renounce the use of his reason, is
contradicting himself. There can be no knowledge of what is good for man
apart from knowledge of reality and human nature, and there is no manner in
which this knowledge can be acquired except through reason. To advocate
irrationality is to advocate that which is destructive to human life.” ―
George H. Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God
