I don't suppose it would be politically acceptable for Amy to have a Marxist
economist on her program. But these days, it's OK to have a socialist economist.
Miriam
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Yes. It was a slip of my fingers. Wolff may well be a social fellow, but he
was introduced as a socialist economist. When I listened to his radio
broadcasts he always referred to himself as a Marxist. But nonetheless, he was
much better at presenting his points than was Paul Krugman.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/24/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think that Amy said that Richard Wolff is a socialist economist, not
a social economist. And interestingly, he said something like, "the
word, socialism, can be used in a lot of different ways." It was
Krugman who was insisting on its classical use as the state ownership
of the means of production. I used to read Krugman in the past. But
then he began sounding too far to the right to me. I'm not sure
exactly when that was, perhaps when he was supporting Hillary for
President in 2016? But I think it was before that. If we're talking
about mainstream economists, Joseph Stiglitz seems to be smarter and
less politically motivated than Krugman and perhaps, to his left.
Whenever I listen to Richard Wolff, I try to figure out what complex
abstraction he's attempting to explain to his listeners in tiny, easy
bits and pieces. I can understand and accept the tiny bits and pieces,
but I know he's trying to sell me something, the big idea behind the bits and
pieces, and I'd like him to just tell me what it is.
Miriam
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I've read, and agreed with Krugman in the past. This was the first
time I've heard him in person...reminding me of why I avoid live
interviews...and he really pointed up one thing. His verbal shuffling
around the word socialism and his failure to stand up for full
Medicare for all, in any meaningful form, speaks loud and clear, the
position so many "liberal democrats" are holding. It's the wishy
washy position that is losing for the Progressives.
I found it interesting that Richard Wolff has always said he is a
Marxist, but Amy Goodman introduced him as a social economist. Maybe
because of the title of his latest book.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/24/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I thought, at first, that Krugman sounded reasonable. But then, as
the discussion progressed and he said more and more, I realized that
he was basically being an apologist for the arguments of more
centrist candidates.
It wasn't clear to me until he talked more about medical coverage. He
moved from a single payer health system, to advocating for anything,
including a public option and he began talking about people being
frightened by losing their private medical insurance. It was a very
sneaky, dishonest presentation because he began by saying one thing
and then subtly switched positions in the middle of the discussion.
Miriam
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Amy Goodman had Paul Krugmann and Richard Wolff on Democracy Now,
this morning, discussing Socialism and Bernie Sanders. My personal
feeling was that Wolff made the www.democracynow.org better points.
Carl Jarvis
On 2/23/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Ryan Grim <badnews@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 4:12 PM
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Subject: Can Bernie beat Trump?
Yes and no.
Can Bernie beat Trump?
Yes and no.
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After trailing just a few weeks ago in Nevada to Joe Biden, Bernie
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away with all of the delegates once the precincts have been counted.
Biden has dropped 17 points in South Carolina while Sanders is
rising, meaning Bernie could sweep the first four states, setting
himself up to effectively put it away on Super Tuesday, just 9 days
from now.
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worried that Sanders will lose badly in November. And, of course,
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Bloomberg is trailing Trump by 3 points in the latest, while Sanders
is beating Trump by 3. Given Bloomberg’s debating abilities and
general lack of charisma, it’s hard to imagine how he actually gains
ground in the face of a Republican onslaught. Biden just doesn’t have it
anymore.
Buttigieg and Klobuchar have never polled well against Trump, and
Warren has had the same problem (though she polls better than Amy
and Pete). Perhaps any of them could win, but there’s no reason to
think that’s more likely than Sanders winning.
Indeed, Sanders’ showing among Latinos in Nevada -- he won more than
70%, turned them out at a higher rate and he’s known in the Latino
community as Tio Bernie -- suggests that Sanders could put Arizona
in play. Trump won Arizona by four points, but it has tilted further
Democratic since. He would then need to win just two of the three
Rust Belt states Clinton lost in ‘16.
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When people talk about Sanders as a disaster, they’re sometimes
referring to how swing-district House members in the suburbs would do.
And that’s fair:
Sanders’ strength is not with wealthier, whiter suburbs, but with
working class voters and people of color. The question will be how
much their feelings about Sanders versus Trump influence their House
vote. I simply don’t know the answer to that.
What we do know is that we don’t know anything. The leadership of
Nevada’s powerful Culinary Union spent the week leading into the
caucuses locked in a bitter feud with Sanders, yet Culinary workers
went overwhelmingly for Sanders. R.J. Eskow, a former insurance
analyst who’s now a progressive journalist, closely analyzed the
Culinary health care plan and finds that their benefits are indeed
good, but would be far better under Medicare for All.
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