[blind-democracy] Re: FW: Can Bernie beat Trump?

  • From: Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 09:01:30 -0800

Amy Goodman had Paul Krugmann and Richard Wolff on Democracy Now, this
morning, discussing Socialism and Bernie Sanders.  My personal feeling
was that Wolff made the www.democracynow.org
better points.


Carl Jarvis


On 2/23/20, miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





From: Ryan Grim <badnews@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 4:12 PM
To: miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Can Bernie beat Trump?



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Can Bernie beat Trump?


Yes and no.



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Feb 23







After trailing just a few weeks ago in Nevada to Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders
won a resounding victory there Saturday, and might even come away with all
of the delegates once the precincts have been counted. Biden has dropped 17
points in South Carolina while Sanders is rising, meaning Bernie could
sweep
the first four states, setting himself up to effectively put it away on
Super Tuesday, just 9 days from now.

That has produced an understandable round of panic from Democrats worried
that Sanders will lose badly in November. And, of course, that’s entirely
possible, but
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0sdILdnG-2f4A64J8IQ> head-to-head polls show that Sanders is probably far
less risky than any of the other potential candidates. Mike Bloomberg is
trailing Trump by 3 points in the latest, while Sanders is beating Trump by
3. Given Bloomberg’s debating abilities and general lack of charisma, it’s
hard to imagine how he actually gains ground in the face of a Republican
onslaught. Biden just doesn’t have it anymore. Buttigieg and Klobuchar have
never polled well against Trump, and Warren has had the same problem
(though
she polls better than Amy and Pete). Perhaps any of them could win, but
there’s no reason to think that’s more likely than Sanders winning.

Indeed, Sanders’ showing among Latinos in Nevada -- he won more than 70%,
turned them out at a higher rate and he’s known in the Latino community as
Tio Bernie -- suggests that Sanders could put Arizona in play. Trump won
Arizona by four points, but it has tilted further Democratic since. He
would
then need to win just two of the three Rust Belt states Clinton lost in
‘16.
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NG1Cp8x4WXbIoKVZLoAvFKerFuIr9Ac1LhdI> Aida Chavez was in Nevada for us, and
wrote about the Latino vote there.

When people talk about Sanders as a disaster, they’re sometimes referring
to
how swing-district House members in the suburbs would do. And that’s fair:
Sanders’ strength is not with wealthier, whiter suburbs, but with working
class voters and people of color. The question will be how much their
feelings about Sanders versus Trump influence their House vote. I simply
don’t know the answer to that.

What we do know is that we don’t know anything. The leadership of Nevada’s
powerful Culinary Union spent the week leading into the caucuses locked in
a
bitter feud with Sanders, yet Culinary workers went overwhelmingly for
Sanders. R.J. Eskow, a former insurance analyst who’s now a progressive
journalist, closely analyzed the Culinary health care plan and finds that
their benefits are indeed good, but would be far better under Medicare for
All.
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GV9of942c0g> His interesting assessment is here.

If you watch just one thing this weekend,
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oVREWQxcLwGAm66rsDyJ-fc8> this short clip from Anand Giridharadas has to be
it.








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