Charles and All,
Your points are interesting, but I would suggest that there is an even
darker issue at work here. That is this, we, the American People,
will put up all sorts of defenses in order to avoid facing the fact
that we have nurtured a violent strain in our culture.
We examine the reasons why someone would resort to mass murder over a
personal affront, or a social or religious difference.
We keep up a barrage of "make believe" stories that present our
culture as, peace loving, gentle, caring people. Then when one of our
members strikes out in anger, using violence to deal with their
frustrations, we run about, clucking like Chicken Little, yelling,
"The Sky is Falling in!"
And to make matters even more muddy, we turn around and put the blame
on people from another nation.
Okay, I know of many of the problems our culture places upon Gays, and
I understand that People of Color are disadvantaged in this country,
and I get it that there are Whites who fear being "taken over" by
people of different color or of different Faiths. Frankly, any reason
to take up weapons of mass murder in order to solve a personal
problem, should tell us that we, All Americans, have a serious
problem.
But I suspect that instead of dealing face on with our "mean streak",
we'll go on analyzing the reasons to death. And next time, and there
most certainly will be a next time, we'll run about, clacking and
clucking.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/16/16, Charles Krugman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Whether or not Omar Mateen was gay is not the real issue here. The real
issue is that for whatever reason he had many internal conflicts that may
have contributed to this incident. As a gay man I have experienced people
with many conflicts that manifest themselves in the gay community. Many of
these conflicts seem to center about conflicts with religious upbringing in
relation to sexuality or what family members or the community might think.
His exposure to the gay community and the club scene could have given him
the opportunity to carry out such an attack as he did. We know that
Afghanistan is one of the countries that has the highest level of
persecution of LGBT people and there are no human rights there or in other
countries where fundamentalist religions are in power. All of these factors
contributed to the incident and the potential walking time bomb that Mateen
was. His life was a mess. He virtually failed at whatever he attempted and
had these internal conflicts. For all we know he might have had a
personality disorder that led to this type of antisocial behavior. At any
rate gay or not he still committed an atrocious act of terrorism. While he
may be gay he may have been enraged at men kissing in front of his young son
as was reported in the media. From a psychological perspective these
dichotomies occur quite frequently.
Chuck
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June 14, 2016
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Omar Mateen, the gunman who perpetrated the deadliest mass shooting [3]
thus
far in the United States early Sunday morning, took the lives of 49 people
at a gay club named Pulse in Orlando, Florida. The venue, like so many
dance
clubs that serve LGBT folks, had served as a safe space by those who
patronized it; a sanctuary from anti-gay violence and hatred. Numerous news
outlets have reported on the story as a case of Islamic extremism or
homophobic brutality. But there is new evidence that Mateen was himself
gay,
had been seen at Pulse many times over recent years and had used gay dating
apps. While there is no excuse for Mateen's horrific act, these new details
paint a portrait of a man whose internalized homophobia may have been a
factor in the attacks.
Sitora Yusufiy, Mateen's first wife, who says he was often abusive, told
the
New York Daily News [4] that when they wed in 2009, he told her his life
had
previously included frequent clubbing.
"When we had gotten married, he confessed to me about his past-that was
recent at that time-and that he very much enjoyed going to clubs and the
nightlife," Yusufiy said. "So, I feel like it's a side of him or a part of
him that he lived but probably didn't want everybody to know about."
Yusufiy and her current fiance, Marcio Dias, appeared on Brazilian
television yesterday. The UK's Daily Mail [4] notes that during the
interview, which was translated from Portuguese, Dias "told the channel
that
Yusufiy told him Mateen had 'gay tendencies' and had been called gay in
front of her on several occasions by his father."
The paper also quotes Dias as telling his Brazilian interviewers, "The FBI
asked her not to tell this to the American media."
The Daily News also points to an interview with one of Mateen's classmates
from 2006, a period when both were enrolled in a Florida police academy.
The
classmate spoke anonymously with Orlando's WFTV9, telling the station that
Mateen had once asked him out on a date.
"We went to a few gay bars with him," the classmate said, "and I was not
out
at the time, so I declined his offer."
At least four regular patrons of Pulse said they had seen Mateen at the
club
on numerous occasions before Sunday, according to the Orlando Sentinel [5].
While there have been news items suggesting Mateen had visited the venue in
recent weeks for surveillance purposes, other clubgoers say Mateen's visits
went back years.
"Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and
other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent," Ty Smith
told the paper. "We didn't really talk to him a lot, but I remember him
saying things about his dad at times. He told us he had a wife and child."
Another patron, Chris Callen, told the Canadian Press that he had seen
Mateen in the club multiple times.
"It's the same guy," Callen, who performs drag using the stage name
Kristina
McLaughlin, told CJAD [6]. "He's been going to this bar for at least three
years."
Mateen's father, Mir Seddique, previously told NBC News [7] that his son
had
become "enraged" after seeing two men kiss in the weeks prior to the
carrying out the massacre. Smith and Callen expressed doubt that incident
was connected to the killings, stating that Mateen had witnessed plenty of
men kiss before in the club.
"That's bullcrap, right there," said Smith to CJAD. "No offense. That's
straight-up crap. He's been around us. Some of those people did a little
more than (kiss) outside the bar... He was partying with the people who
supposedly drove him to do this?"
Smith added, "[Mateen would get] really, really drunk... He couldn't drink
when he was at home-around his wife, or family. His father was really
strict... He used to bitch about it."
Another Pulse regular told the Los Angeles Times [8] that Mateen had
messaged him regularly using the LGBT-focused app Jack'd. Police said they
are looking into Mateen's related activity.
As of this writing, six of those [9] shot by Mateen remain in critical
condition. Over the last two days, vigils have been held around the
country,
as well as abroad, for those who were fatally killed by the shooter.
Kali Holloway is a senior writer and the associate editor of media and
culture at AlterNet.
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Omar Mateen, the gunman who perpetrated the deadliest mass shooting [3]
thus
far in the United States early Sunday morning, took the lives of 49 people
at a gay club named Pulse in Orlando, Florida. The venue, like so many
dance
clubs that serve LGBT folks, had served as a safe space by those who
patronized it; a sanctuary from anti-gay violence and hatred. Numerous news
outlets have reported on the story as a case of Islamic extremism or
homophobic brutality. But there is new evidence that Mateen was himself
gay,
had been seen at Pulse many times over recent years and had used gay dating
apps. While there is no excuse for Mateen's horrific act, these new details
paint a portrait of a man whose internalized homophobia may have been a
factor in the attacks.
Sitora Yusufiy, Mateen's first wife, who says he was often abusive, told
the
New York Daily News [4] that when they wed in 2009, he told her his life
had
previously included frequent clubbing.
"When we had gotten married, he confessed to me about his past-that was
recent at that time-and that he very much enjoyed going to clubs and the
nightlife," Yusufiy said. "So, I feel like it's a side of him or a part of
him that he lived but probably didn't want everybody to know about."
Yusufiy and her current fiance, Marcio Dias, appeared on Brazilian
television yesterday. The UK's Daily Mail [4] notes that during the
interview, which was translated from Portuguese, Dias "told the channel
that
Yusufiy told him Mateen had 'gay tendencies' and had been called gay in
front of her on several occasions by his father."
The paper also quotes Dias as telling his Brazilian interviewers, "The FBI
asked her not to tell this to the American media."
The Daily News also points to an interview with one of Mateen's classmates
from 2006, a period when both were enrolled in a Florida police academy.
The
classmate spoke anonymously with Orlando's WFTV9, telling the station that
Mateen had once asked him out on a date.
"We went to a few gay bars with him," the classmate said, "and I was not
out
at the time, so I declined his offer."
At least four regular patrons of Pulse said they had seen Mateen at the
club
on numerous occasions before Sunday, according to the Orlando Sentinel [5].
While there have been news items suggesting Mateen had visited the venue in
recent weeks for surveillance purposes, other clubgoers say Mateen's visits
went back years.
"Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and
other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent," Ty Smith
told the paper. "We didn't really talk to him a lot, but I remember him
saying things about his dad at times. He told us he had a wife and child."
Another patron, Chris Callen, told the Canadian Press that he had seen
Mateen in the club multiple times.
"It's the same guy," Callen, who performs drag using the stage name
Kristina
McLaughlin, told CJAD [6]. "He's been going to this bar for at least three
years."
Mateen's father, Mir Seddique, previously told NBC News [7] that his son
had
become "enraged" after seeing two men kiss in the weeks prior to the
carrying out the massacre. Smith and Callen expressed doubt that incident
was connected to the killings, stating that Mateen had witnessed plenty of
men kiss before in the club.
"That's bullcrap, right there," said Smith to CJAD. "No offense. That's
straight-up crap. He's been around us. Some of those people did a little
more than (kiss) outside the bar... He was partying with the people who
supposedly drove him to do this?"
Smith added, "[Mateen would get] really, really drunk... He couldn't drink
when he was at home-around his wife, or family. His father was really
strict... He used to bitch about it."
Another Pulse regular told the Los Angeles Times [8] that Mateen had
messaged him regularly using the LGBT-focused app Jack'd. Police said they
are looking into Mateen's related activity.
As of this writing, six of those [9] shot by Mateen remain in critical
condition. Over the last two days, vigils have been held around the
country,
as well as abroad, for those who were fatally killed by the shooter.
Kali Holloway is a senior writer and the associate editor of media and
culture at AlterNet.
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