My Dear Mostafa,
I know, without your needing to tell me, that in your eyes I am
"worthless". You have made that clear all along. Not just for me, or
Roger, but for everyone who dares disagree with your "Truth".
I can only hope for a day when you awaken and realize that your Allah
is nothing but a paper tiger, the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz. And
when the curtain is rolled away, you and all people of Planet Earth
will learn to trust themselves.
Cordially,
Carl Jarvis
On 6/2/19, Mostafa <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl, you are worthless to me. That's it, adieu.
On 6/2/19, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mostafa,
You wrote, "Religion has given my life a meaning. Yours is absolutely
meaningless."
And therein lies the problem. I, as an Agnostic, do not have the
power to enter your head and tell what you think, and feel what you
feel. You, as a devout Man of Allah, feel that your Absolute Wisdom
enables you to enter my head and understand all about me, my feelings,
my dreams and my culture.
To which I say, "Hog Wash!!!"
And by the way, my comment about my belief that you live in a more
precarious situation comes only via the news that is aired here in the
USA. But if you say you live a safe life, I can accept that.
However, I am not so self satisfied as to believe that some Great
Power is protecting me. Even if I believed that such a Being existed,
I am not such an important being that He would keep me safe. You seem
to feel that you are such a person. I recall a mine accident back
around 1971, in Idaho. 92 miners were killed. Only 2 survived. And
what did the one man say?
"God was watching over me!" So, God looked down and saw 94 miners
about to be killed due to the lack of safety measures by the mine
owners. God then said, "I can only save one or two of these fellows."
And he allowed the others to "enter the gates of Heaven". But here's
a funny thing. The mine owners, the ones that had allowed their
equipment and tunnels to fall into disrepair, they went on living the
Good Life. Mostafa, in my mind the Trinity consists of God the
Father, the Power Hungry, and Greed. Every religion, including yours,
works to expand and to dominate all other religions...and all people.
Believe what you will, but that is the sad and real truth.
This is a true fact. I am not dumping on religions. It is in the
nature of all religions.
Just the thought of looking down my nose at several billions of people
just because they refused to believe what I believe. How selfish and
arrogant! But it is what it is.
Cordially,
Carl Jarvis
On 6/2/19, Roger Loran Bailey <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Mostafa, if you are so satisfied with your life then why do you try to
force your religion on others and why do you throw tantrums when you
have no refutation to a logical argument? Throwing tantrums does not
sound like the behavior of a complacent and satisfied person.
---
David Hume
??? In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all
imaginable
degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest species
of
moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the
evidence. ???
??? David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
On 5/31/2019 4:17 PM, Mostafa wrote:
Carl, I do not live a far more precarious life than you in the United
States. Your manner of referring to my life here indicates prejudice.
It also proves that you incorrectly assume I am affected with any of
the civil wars or the brutal famishments out there. Fortuitously, I am
mentally confident and contented. My life is quite stable and it
hasn't been impacted with major dominance of philistinism. Roger seems
to be somewhat your mentor. Well, good for you. He isn't more than
just a blind embracer of empiricism. Over the course of my constant
debates with him, I proved to this unworthy character his enormous
incompetency and unprecedented nescience of basic rational premisses.
He overused circular reasoning while fallaciously presuming it's
counterfeit to do so. Back to Carl, has incredulity solved world
junctures? As someone who doesn't believe in any form of deity and
thence, has no purpose in life. What are you here for? I urge you to
search, as to why many people who do not believe, are generically more
potential to consider channeling suicidal thoughts and acts. Why many
people in your glorious nation periodically jump off the Golden Gate
Bridge? Religion has given my life a meaning. Yours is absolutely
meaningless. The state of unjustified disbelief is a major threat to
natural human development. The gap broadens, as disbelievers lose the
discernment of the supreme aim of this life. Gradually, they become
numb to canonical perceptions and life thereupon becomes quite
terrifying and insignificant. So, if you are struck with a toughly
catastrophic incident, who would you turn to for aid? A friend of mine
lives in Britain. He tells me, that a typical worker there would
depart to the pub after his business day is over to drink. This
happens on almost a routinely fashion. They do so to distract
themselves from the arduous pressure they incessantly are besieged
with. I as a believer never had the pressure or the stress that
demands such model of insalubrious beguilement. I am pretty satisfied
with my life. At least, I am not threatened with someone entering a
public complex with a loaded rifle and insanely, shoots arbitrarily. I
am safe here with the grace of Allah and His providential
conservation.
On 5/31/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
But you do seem to have a lot of time to waste with silly theology.
And
it is silly. It is silly because as long as you are contemplating and
working out the implications of premises that have not been proven to
exist every bit of that work is meaningless. As I have pointed out
before, when a fantasy writer does the same thing it is called world
building and the more time he or she invests in the world building the
better the fantasy novel is. But when you just keep up the world
building and you never write the fantasy novel you are doing nothing
but
wasting your time. Again, Mostafa, you don't have to do this. You can
still give up the theology and have plenty of time left to make
something useful of yourself. You do not have to antagonize people all
over the Internet. You are so determined to make yourself unpopular,
but
you really do not have to.
---
David Hume
??? In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all
imaginable
degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest species
of
moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the
evidence. ???
??? David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
On 5/31/2019 9:16 AM, Mostafa wrote:
I don't have time to waste with some bunch of rapscallions.
On 5/29/19, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In all my years as an interested onlooker, and as a reformed
Christian, I have never known God to disagree with those who are
"Called" by Him.
The closest to that are those folks who tell me, "I didn't want to
do
what God told me to do, but I had no choice".
Carl Jarvis
On 5/28/19, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
It was Robert Ingersoll who pointed out that whenever someone
asserts
that god wants something it always agrees with what the person
making
the claim wants. Have you ever heard anyone say, "I don't like
this,
but
god wants it."
---
David Hume
??? In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all
imaginable
degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest
species
of
moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to
the
evidence. ???
??? David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
On 5/28/2019 8:48 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Jews and Christians are one and the same religion. Men wrote down
God's Word and followed that Word for centuries. Then a young
prophet
named Jesus came along, teaching as a Jewish Teacher, and when he
was
murdered for his crimes against the Roman Empire, his name became
a
rallying point. New men wrote new rules as the Word of God,
changed
the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and claimed to have a New
Testament. Most of the governing Word of this new fringe group
was
written by Saul/Paul.
If we think that government can glut the world with piles of
rules,
laws, regulations and interpretations of all that stuff, we should
understand that men...human people like you and me, can write
mountains of words claimed to have fallen from the lips of God.
But
it's all bogus. Just like government leveling laws to protect
those
in power, *ALL religions set down volumes of Laws aimed at
protecting
whatever God they are backing at the time.
Life would be so much easier if we would only learn to rely on our
inner selves, rather than feeling the need to make up a Superman
in
whom we are told we can place our total trust. And the very first
teaching of each of our Gods is to smite our opponents, those who
worship false gods.
Carl Jarvis
On 5/28/19, Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Antisemitism is a major crime everywhere in the west. If you say
something that seems to be unfavourable to Israel and its
practices,
you will be instantly labeled as antisemite, Jew-baiter, hater of
Jews. Are Jews uniquely the Semite people in the Middle East? Not
too
many think so. They actually are claiming the smallest proportion
of
Semite subspecieses. So, Ethiopians and Arabs, both belong to
Semitic
descent. Nonetheless, neither of them incites western people if
they
were harassed or pestered. In fact, they themselves are hassled
by
white westerns. I exposed how white western Christians are wholly
possessed by Jews. The latter fully controls what Christians
embrace.
Paul wrote for them a tremendous amount of their scripture. What
first
came in religion proceeded into politics and beyond. How many
Christian today opposes the move of US embassy to Jerusalem
proposed
by Trump the scoundrel? Not much of them. Christians are ridden
by
Jews. They are not ashamed of admitting that. Jews are the ones
who
say we crucified Christ and Christians agree with them. So, we
could
conveniently assert, that Christians are inspired by Jews to
formulate
their faith for them. Therefore, if someone criticises their
masters,
they'd call him antisemitic. Jews declined to follow prophet
Muhammad
because he came from Ishmael lineage. They consider the great
grandfather of prophet Muhammad a pariah. They wished the last
messenger would have came from the posterity of Isaac. Thence,
they
justify their hostility to all Arabs. Unfortunately, Christians
are
codded by Jews to despise Arabs. Yes, because most of them follow
the
prophet whom they previously rejected. Allah confirms in the
Koran
what I stated above. Jews lead, Christians follow. This is why,
Christians generically are somewhat constrained to comply to what
Jews
desire. Each and every missile discharged into the hearts of
Palestinian children is paid up by US tax revenue. Taxpayers in
the
US
are implicitly murdering innocent civilians on virtually a daily
basis. No one could deny this unless he has the proof for that.
What
do Christians think of Israel? Many of them say, it has the right
to
exist. Despite the fact that Jews have invaded Palestine and
displaced
its people into refugee camps, allegedly peaceful Christians
endorse
them. I therefore urge westerns to redress their definition of
antisemitism. It's crucial to do so.
--
(Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it
is
a
shoreless ocean.)
