Miriam, you said something very powerful when you spoke below about investments
being linked to the corporate world that is harming the the earth and mankind.
That is why I no longer have any investments. About a decade ago I liquidated
it all and spent much of it on my ailing (late) parents and the rest to
charities I believed in, for better or for worse. This catch 22 where we can't
afford to live into our elder years without investments, but at the same time
those same investments are killing ourselves is one major reason why I believe
that capitalism needs to be put out of its misery. I do recognize that my
position is not popular but as the saying goes; that's my story and I am
sticking to it.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 5:46 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Abbny,
I feel like my self interest is intertwined with the welfare of a majority of
people in the society, actually, in the world. So if everyone's basic needs are
taken care of, people will be less stressed. They'll have the capacity to reach
out to others and to be kinder. If people are paid a decent wage, they'll feel
more committed to their work and that means that the people with whom I come
into contact, the customer service rep, the security guy in my apartment
building, the sales person, the home health aide when I get one, all of them
will be kinder and more responsive to my needs because they won't feel angry
and pressured all of the time. If people feel connected to others, they'll be
more likely to support a government and laws that are there to care for all of
us, not just the powerful few. But we need a world that we can live in which
means the end of war and a complete move to clean energy. So if your
investments are in corporations that are involved with the war machine or
fossil fuels, then they're not safe. We need a whole new medical system. We
talk about Medicare, but most of us are supplementing it with private insurance
and Medicare Part D is a nightmare.
We need a single payer system for everyone and we really need to change the
way our whole medical system is organized. We have corporate medicine now.
All the doctors here are being connected into these huged hospital
conglomerates. It becomes very complicated to use doctors who are involved in
different systems, and I'm not even talking about insurance. There have been
radical changes, even in just 20 years. I don't feel like there's a way to hold
onto anything as it was.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 4:31 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Is there a difference between voting your conscience and voting your
self-interest? I want both. That would be someone who protects my Social
Security and Medicare and keeps my investments safe and someone who wants a
thriving and expanding middle class and also world peace and prosperity.
I'll never have it all, at least not in my lifetime.
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:00 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Abby, I don't see that happening. I think Trump is looking for an opportunity
to step out. That is why he has been putting on all of his antics. Usually such
antics alienate voters and the candidate drops out. The problem is that this
year with Trump supporters the most wacked out antics only make him more
popular, even firing his campaign manager which is usually instant death to a
campaign. Trump would like to bow out just prior to the convention, and thus
revealing the real GOP candidate but popular angst isn't letting him.
Concerning voting your conscience. Think of what would happen if 51 percent of
previously democratic voters "voted their consciences"? That would hand the
election to the GOP. That is why I believe voting ones conscience is a very
selfish act that makes the person feel good but brings upon the rest of the
world a negative outcome.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Abby Vincent
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Many Republicans are not happy with their presumptive nominee.
They could also split their vote among Trump, Gary Johnson, someone else
emerging from Cleveland, giving the presidency to Hilary. I will most
likely vote for Jill Stein, but California will vote heavily Democratic.
So, I can safely vote my conscience.
Abby
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:17 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
No problem with that as long as you admit that you are a dyed in the wool
republican.
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2016 11:59 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: CBS this morning
Well, here is an interesting attempt to scare us into voting for Clinton.
For myself, I promise that I will have no regrets the morning after, if I vote
for Jill Stein and awaken to news that Donald Trump won the election.
Remember, the Corporate American Empire will take care of itself. Sure, they
will be happier with Hillary at the helm, but don't think for one second that
they will allow Donald to mess up their game plan. What they did for mild
mannered Barak Obama, the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, is exactly what they
can do for the mouthy Trumpet. And for you who think Trump will make life
harder for the Working Class? Hey!!! Wake up! Things have been getting worse
under every president since Richard Nixon. Hillary has already promised that
social reform will need to go slow. Slow may mean, "Not on my watch". As long
as we, the Workers of America are scared into supporting the very Establishment
that is eating us out of house and home, life will become harder. And it will
be those who are stampeded into backing either of these two Shills, who will
wake up regretting their vote...waking up under the nearest bridge.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/26/16, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
CBS this morning ran a piece about the British vote and made a big
point of how many Brits are now saying that they regret their vote and
that they only voted for it as a protest vote thinking that it could
never pass. This is the reality of these "protest votes". It may make
the person feel good but wait until the morning after. This greatly
foreshadows what will happen here in the US in November as all of
these portest votes will only put the GOP in the White House and come
the morning after said protestors will be complaining of got elected.
