Frank,
I remember terrible email arguments that you've had with others in the past.
I see you using some of the same tactics now that you used then. This
discussion if finished. Claim whatever you wish and say whatever you choose.
I'm done.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 1:04 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Boeing 737 Max
Miriam, see my answers below:
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 10:27 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Boeing 737 Max
Frank,
1. My sources aren't Neo Liberal. i suspect you don't know what that term
means, but it applies to the corporate Democrats whom you admire.
Well if your sources aren't neo-liberal than they may well be neo-fascist.
Also those corporate democrats supported the professions you chose in life
and I don't think you would have been as successful without them..
2. There is a flaw in the design in the aircraft which the company which
manufactured it, Boeing, kept secret, even after they knew.
What is the flaw, give me technical details? The crashes were attributed to
two airlines not training their pilots on how to react properly to the
anti-stalling safety feature. Some domestic airlines such as Southwest and
Delta already logged thousands of hours on the 737 Max without an incident.
It was only an issue with rogue airlines who doctored training records.
3. 2 crashes took place, killing 300 people, because of that flaw.
Those two crashes weren't due to the "flaw". They were due to the inability
of the pilots to properly use the anti-stalling feature.
4. The pilots could have been told about the flaw and given training which
might or might not have compensated for it, but the company chose not to do
that.
Wrong again and we have said this previously. It is not the function of the
aircraft vendor (Boeing) to train the pilots. The sole responsibility for
pilot training falls on the individual airlines. Check with the FAA before
you make such blatantly false statements.
5. Because of this, the C E O of Boeing has resigned, being replaced by the
President of its board, who is equally culpable.
The CEO resigned because of falling stock prices from the public relations
debacle under pressure from major stock holders who are primarily pension
plans.
6. Over the last several months I have heard several experts in the field
who have explained all of this on 2 podcasts.
I'd like to know who those experts are. I read industry publications not
political ramblings. As far as cupability that really falls on anyone who
thinks they can do things on the cheap. Cut rate off-shore airlines are
notorious for this type of behavior but folks still patronize them due to
low fares.
What I wrote yesterday was just a scrambled summary of what was being said
as I wrote, on a podcast, but the focus was actually on a failed NASA
project.
I'm very impressed with all of the credentials that you've managed to gather
during your lifetime. In the past, you've mentioned being an expert in so
many things. Alas, I haven't had your broad experience and education. All I
can do is to read and listen to experts and try to understand them.
Miriam, I can't tell if the above is honest or some attempt at sarcasm. If
it is honest and sincere, the reason I have excelled in technical fields is
that I knew from a very early age that I needed to prove myself, every day
and in every way. No one wanted to give a poor dark skinned deago from the
south Bronx a chance at anything. Also those things you alluded to were just
a toe in the door. A door I struggle every day, even now, to keep open.
Again if what you wrote is indeed sincere and not some form of insult ten
you will at least give me some consideration in matters of a technical
nature.
Frank
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 1:05 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Boeing 737 Max
Miriam, the below clearly says exactally what I already told you and that is
there was an organized effort not to invest in pilot training which lead to
the two crashes. That is not a design flaw in the aircraft. Now with that
said the media outlet where you got that from is nothing more than rubbish.
Read the quote clearly it is speaking about Boeing but then goes on to say
that the "airline" didn't inform the crews about the new planes. I think
even the editor of a junior high newsletter would pick up on the obvious
disconnect there and that disconnect is that Boeing is not an airline, it is
an aircraft manufactuer. It is the airlines that train (or not in this case)
train the flight crews. Me thinks that whole quote was from a profit
motivated trash talking media outlet with some financial motivation for
protecting the airline industry.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Miriam Vieni
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 1:39 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Boeing 737 Max
From Loud and Clear Deadly assumptions of Boeing - they knew that there were
deadly flaws in the plane's design and they knew it would take the pilots
time to adjust when things went wrong. But they didn't tell the pilots about
the problems or train them to handle them because they weren't telling
anyone about the problems. The airline predicted that if the flaws weren't
fixed, there'd be one to two crashes every one to two years. It's all in the
internal documents. Boeing is planning to bring the 737 Max back on line. No
one is going to jail, even though the company knew there were flaws in the
design, that there would be periodic crashes, that people would die. The C E
O is resigning, but he's being replaced by the President of the board who is
equally culpable for what happened. There have been two crashes so far,
which killed 300 people.
Miriam
