But he was also very right wing. Perhaps not as obnoxious as Trump, but
Trump, also has said he's against these trade deals so one can see why some
people will vote for him.
Miriam
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From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe harcz Comcast
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 4:52 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Attack on the Twin Towers
Here is a "secret", well not so secret for I've told it before on this list.
I voted twice for Perot. Not because he was not for the most part not a
"wingnut". For he was so, though not as much so as Trump.
I voted for him because of this NAFTA thing and solely because it was also a
vote "NO" against both Clintion and Bush and in 19966 a vote against "Dole
and Clintion".
Too bad he was a wingnut. But again not as bad of a one as the other two
IMO.
Hope you catch my drift for I'm eating a lot of pain killers nowadays with
medical/dental issues and don't evenmake much sense to myself with all of my
battles.
Anyway Perot was again a wingnut, but the others were worse.
And to quote Admiral Stockman, his veep pretender, "Who am I and why am I
here?"
Damnit if that wasn't the existential question of the moment eh?
It was naive and stupid and yet poignent. For after all who are we and why
are we here after all?
Man they should teach that shit in philosophy classes across the world eh!
Seriously, stupid is as stupid does as they said in "Forrest Gump".
And no one, and I repeat no one even in this oligarchy has a monopoly on
"stupid".
Now as close as I can figure is we can't beat the oligarchs by our smarts
alone. Nor, by force of arms. Nor, by rhetoric. and not by any tool that I
know of except perhaps by satire, sarcasm and constant propaganistic slights
like paper cuts where we blead them by cuts of the thousands with words and
ideas.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Hachey <mailto:bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 3:52 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Attack on the Twin Towers
Hi Frank,
This is very well put. But, I know I never supported smaller
government, a stronger military or a mandated sense of national unity.
though I did like the idea of cheper goods.
One of my bigger mistakes in my thinking was to support NAFTA. I
actually laughed at Ross Perot when he warned us of the sucking sound that
would represent all of the jobs that would move overseas if we passed NAFTA.
I supported Ross in the first part of his 1992 campaign before he quit. IT
would have been truly interesting to see how things might have been
different if we had elected Ross perot. Yes, I know, he was a very
well-healed capitalist. But many of his domestic policy ideas looked to be
better than those of either Bush or Clinton.
Bob Hachey
PS.
One of my favorite slogans from Perot's campaign was:
"IT's much less expensive to send a kid to Harvard for 4 years than
it is to imprison him for the same length of time." Well, given the
skyrocketing cost of college tuition that may not be true anymore.
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Ventura
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 3:23 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Attack on the Twin Towers
All good points and remember we shaped the government. We wanted a
strong military and we got the military industrial complex. We wanted cheap
goods and we got the immigration issue. We wanted smaller government and we
got a greatly reduced social safety net. We wanted a mandatory sense of
national unity and now we have armed militas and patriot groups to enforce
that at, even at gunpoint. We wanted an artificial feeling of security so
now we have the patriot act, drones and wire tapping. Where will it stop?
Frank
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
Humel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 12:38 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Attack on the Twin Towers
I agree with Miriam.no matter how much any of us dislikes and
protests the actions of the US government, no matter how much any of us
distances him/herself from actions and positions we find repugnant, it's
still "we." And if you don't believe Miriam or me when we say so, think
about how an enemy would treat even the most outspoken protester among us if
he/she were captured or if the US were invaded by an enemy force that blew
through his/her city or neighborhood. It truly is shoot first and ask
questions later. Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, or Bill O'Reilly or Rush
Limbaugh, they're all the same to the "other side," whatever that happens to
be on any given day. And we, the US, ourselves have done exactly the same
thing.when the government decided to imprison all Japanese in camps during
WWII, they did not make exceptions for those families who had sons,
husbands, fathers, who were at that very moment fighting in the US forces,
defending the very country that was imprisoning their families. So, like it
or not, we're all part of the we until someone decides to renounce his/her
citizenship and leave the country to find one whose citizenship he/she would
find more palatable and, I might add, a country who would accept his/her
application for citizenship or political asylum. How many starry eyed
Communists tried to move to the Soviet Union only to be told, we don't want
rabble rousers like you here in the USSR?
Donne said it best: no man is an island.
On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Frank Ventura
<frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes, but we keep giving them more and more power due to
some twisted sense of idol worship or worse still cut off our nose to spite
our face portests.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:45 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Attack on the Twin Towers
Just because we may benefit from some concessions that the
working class
has wrung out of the bourgeois state does not make us a part
of their
system.
On 9/10/2016 4:12 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Yes, well we can all disapprove of our government's
policies. We can disavow
them. But at the same time, we all benefit, some of
us more than others,
from being US citizens. One simple example, we have
all received services
for the blind. The quality of those services may
vary greatly, just as our
ability to use them varies in terms of our
individual situations. All of us
on this list have computers, a place to live, enough
to eat. Those things
might not be true if we lived in India, Bahrain, or
Kenya. In the same way
that white people don't want to admit that
regardless of whether they want
it, they have white privilege. American leftists
don't want to admit that
whether or not they approve of what our country
does, they benefit from
living here.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 3:12 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Attack on the Twin
Towers
I understand completely and I congratulate Carl
because he has been prone to
using the word we when he should be saying they too.
What the U.S.
government does is what they do, not what we do.
What the imperialists do is
what they do, not what we do. To constantly refer to
them as we shows an
identification with the enemy and that is exactly
what the enemy wants you
to do. It makes it easier to rule over you and to
exploit you if you think
you are a part of what they are doing.
On 9/10/2016 12:10 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
Carl,
I'm not sure I understand. You are a US
citizen. You pay taxes. You vote.
It is the US government that has declared an
unending war on terror.
It is the US government that has
approximately 1,000 military posts
throughout the world. True, you're not
wealthy and you have little to
no control over what your government does.
But if you're a citizen and
the US has more military power than any
other country, why aren't you
part of the empire? Maybe you're an
unwilling part, but the reality
exists that as an American, you cannot
dissociate yourself from the
empire, except in your heart.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 11:34 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Attack on the
Twin Towers
You'll find the information I've included at
the end of this note to
be interesting if you are wanting to attend
community college in
Tennessee.
But first I wanted to suggest that it was
not the policies of our
Country in the Mid East that has brought
about the violence and hatred
of America. It is the policies of the
American Empire that have done
so. Speaking for myself, I do not consider
myself to be a member of the
American Empire.
I was born a citizen of the United States of
America, into the Working
Class, not the Oligarchy, which has ruled
this nation since the
writing of the Declaration of Independence.
As such, my interests are
not especially those of the Ruling Class.
Nor do they listen to me,
or want my input into their affairs. The
Ruling Class can buy
anything they wish, which is a very
difficult thing for the Working
Class to do. Of course I understand that as
far as the World is
concerned, I am one of the hated Americans. .
Carl Jarvis
And now for information about Pellissippi
State:
Pellissippi State is a vital institution
accustomed to transformation
and growth. Since its founding in 1974 as
State Technical Institute at
Knoxville, the College has expanded the
teaching of technology, the
use of technology in instruction, and the
transfer of technology to
local business and industry in support of
regional economic development.
Having enrolled only 45 students in its
first year of operation, the
institution experienced steady growth in the
'70s, adding business
technology programs to its original core of
engineering technology
programs.
As community awareness grew, so did
expectations. In 1988, the
Tennessee Board of Regents approved the
expansion of the technical
institute's mission to include college
transfer programs.
This mission expansion was accompanied by a
name change to Pellissippi
State Technical Community College, and
enrollment grew quickly. In
2009, the Legislature voted to shorten the
name. The institution is
now known as Pellissippi State Community
College.
The College continues to support and develop
career-path associate's
degrees, associate's degrees for transfer,
certificates, and
continuing education opportunities for the
citizens of Knox, Blount,
and surrounding counties. Pellissippi State
offers credit courses to
high school students as well. In partnership
with the community, the
College sustains the effort toward an
ever-improving quality of life for
residents of East Tennessee.
In fall 2012, 11,259 credit students were
enrolled at Pellissippi
State, as well as thousands of non-credit
students.
On 9/10/16, Martian.Lady
<martian.lady@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
Where was I when the attack on
the Twin Towers happened? I was
doing my OJT at Palasippi, no idea
how to spell it, couldn't find it"
State Community college which was
just outside of Oak Ridge Tennessee.
That was a bit scary.
For the rest of this message,
please don't come down on me with
all four feet.
yes the attack was a terrible
thing to happen. Yes almost 3,000
innocent people were killed. After
the attack, the world supported
us in this tragic event. We refused
to take advantage of this
support, choosing to take our own
course.
We, as a country, refuse to mourn
the possible millions of
innocent people we have killed.
This is rambling because my mind
is going slightly crazy. I nee
a cat to sooth me.
Marsha
