Well, I suppose that if you keep asking ythe question I can keep
answering it, but I would think that some time you would remember that I
have answered the question before. The ruling class is the economic
class that controls the national wealth and its distribution. They are
the ones who perform no productive labor, but who amass enormous amounts
of wealth created by those who do perform productive labor. The control
the state apparatus through a system of money exchanges and they have
the system set up so that they can allow the illusion that there is
something democratic about it. By allowing that illusion they can dupe
the producers of wealth into referring to the money class as we or us as
if the producers were a part of the class of rulers. By the way, I am
tempted to just type up these answers and save them in a document folder
and then every time I am asked the same question I could just copy and
paste the same thing without having to type it all over again every time.
On 9/10/2016 9:05 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
This reminds me of the Tea Partyers who, when demonstrating against the
Affordable Care Act, kept yelling, "Don't let the government steal my
medicare!" or the lady who came here from Croatia 40 years ago and cleans
my apartment who reads Bill O'Reilly's books, whose retired husband is on
Medicare, who works part-time as a clerk for a public library, and who tells
me regularly how much she mistrusts the government. Lots of rage and finger
pointing and many definitions of just who the enemy is. It simplifies the
picture if one can point at a "they" and then blame them for what is
happening. But different working people have various definitions of whom the
"them" is. And that ruling class? Is my son-in-law who owns a piece of a
company that distributes products to pharmacies and owns a 5 bedroom 2
storey house in the suburbs, a member of the ruling class? Is it the
corporations that sell military equipment? The financial institutions? The
military generals at the pentagon? The international corporations like
Apple? And how do you classify the employees of Google, the NSA, and the
other technology giants who use their technical expertise to control the
population? Where does "us" end and "they begin?
Miriam
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It is we and they. It is also not our government. It is their government. It
is the government that they use to hold us down. By calling it our
government you are accepting a role in collaborating in your own oppression.
Those who govern have little in common with those who are governed, but by
encouraging those who are governed to see their government as "our"
government they have a lot easier a time governing the governed.
On 9/10/2016 6:46 PM, Bob Hachey wrote:
Hi all,ways the cause of the attacks against us.
Truly fascinating discussion here. Like Carl, I don't believe I'm part
of the ruling class that has gotten us into this mess by it's greedy
ways and warlike tendencies.
But, like Miriam, I believe that, like it or not, we are all part of
this nation. Yes, many of us ehere on this list oppose our government
policies some of which helped to create the climate for the tragedy of
911. Some might argue that if we weren't actively opposing our
government, that we were part of the problem. That idea is stated best
in Bob Dylan's "the times they are a-changin. Basically, he says that
one should get out of the new road if you can't lend a hand. George W.
Bush echoed similar sentiments when he said you're either with us or
against us. IT is truly sad that the majority of Americans seem to go
along with current policies and can't see how our government is in many
There, that's a good compromise between "we" and "they". That is our
tgovernment. It is not we or they, but it is, more precisely, our
government.
Bob Hachey
