One of the American Jews who is a fine journalist and who does not support
Zionism, is Max Blumenthal. And there is Norman Finkelstein, a professor whose
mother was a victim of the Holocaust, but who has written many books critical
of Israel, and has just written another one about Gaza. He has been shunned by
many universities and many of his colleagues, because of his writings. People
who espouse positions that are opposed to those of the ruling elites in our
country, may end up losing friends and employment opportunities. They may be
pushed to the fringes. Chris Hedges, whom you mentiond recently, was once a
bureau chief at the New York Times. He was fired when he gave a speech at a
college in 2003, opposing the war in Iraq. Most people aren't willing to risk
their financial security and social status in order to stand on principal.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 7:03 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum pronouncement
I am glad my words relieved you. Why would I hate you? What have you done to
me?
, I am also glad to learn from you, that there are groups in the US, who're of
Jewish descent dare to declare their belief of declining Israel. It seems
though, that they demand to publicise their identity a bit further. I as a
Muslim never hate someone for his or her beliefs or convictions. Take Carl, for
instance, I disagree with him fundamentally. But, I respect him more than the
pastor I on occasion refered to, pastor Jason. Because he supports Zionism. And
why do we hate Zionists? Not because of their ethnic or philosophical descent,
but because, their agenda is based on hostile motives, history alteration and
ethnic cleansing. I just recalled now, an American Jewish, who doesn't support
Israel. He is a known author and political thinker. His name is Mark something.
I should look him up.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 11:01 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum pronouncement
I'm relieved to know that you don't hate me because of my Jewish heritage. I
know that in the US, a majority of older Jewish people still support Israel,
not because they actually support Israel's actions, but because they are kept
ignorant of much of what Israel does now and has done in the past by the media
and also because they have been conditioned to be fearful of anti-semetic
ttacks by the Christian majority and they see Israel as a safe haven. These
ideas have been reinforced by fiction and nonfiction books, as well as films
and speeches by politicians and Jewish leaders. There is also pressure from
family and from the Jewish community. But a very large number of young Jews do
not support Israel and many are working to support Palestinian rights. There
are older people as well, people who no longer live in Israel, and some who
still do, who do not support Israel as a Jewish state or Jewish homeland. Over
the years, I learned facts which caused me to stop supporting Israel, and I
learned those facts from Jewish people, some of whom were former Israelis. I
was also a member of an anti-Zionist email list that was run by an Israeli
woman from Israel. That's why I think it is so inaccurate and dangerous to make
generalizations about people based on their national, ethnic, or religious
identities.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob Evans
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 4:39 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum pronouncement
Mariam, clearly not. But, the type of Jews who would have enough courage to
stand firm against Zionism are insignificant. You're obviously mixing things
up. You're of the minority of Jews today. I am obviously talking about pro
Israelis, Zionists.
On 3/18/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So for all of us who believe in dialogue and tolerance, and who also
think that actions speak louder than words, what lesson can we draw
from Mustafa's response? Those of us who attempt dialogue and preach
tolerance, are treated to another verbal attack. And here I am, a
woman of Jewish heritage, who is consistently criticizing Israel and
who would be labeled as "anti-Semitic"
by Jews who support Israel, I wonder if Mustafa hates me because I was
born to a Jewish family. The world is truly a discouraging place
these days.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 3:54 PM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
Well, I start with the last, Maya Jeffrey. Thank you so much for your
sanitary rhetoric. Thank you for being so plain and directly
insolent. It seems it didn't take you too long to sound exactly like
those Americans. You struggled for a while in imitating their
lifestyle. Congratulations, you became one of them. It is not my
problem that the language I use is for some reason difficult for you.
You are not the one to tell me what to focus on. I knew exactly what I
do and I knew how to serve people the best way. I also have the right
to criticise Americanism. I am glad it started baiting you though.
Next, Brett Mehl. No, sir, I am not the way you described. The word
you used to call me, (GAY), is not what I am. This is someone else,
living next to you. It's not difficult to find many of those in your
neighborhood.
Roger, Carl and others, I am stiffly insusceptible.
And as for Jason, the divine text which you quoted its
transliteration renders as follows: "قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا
يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ
مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنْ
الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ
وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ". التوبة 29. Now, I knew you are not competently
edified in Arabic Morphology but, I must clarify some terms. I base
the subsequent illustration on etymological roots. At its inception,
there are two words to critically examine. (قتل and قتال). The first,
قتل, it basically means killing, or to kill. The second, قتال, it
means fighting, or to engage in combat. Now, what does the verse say,
it says, قاتلوا, not اقتلوا. It says, fight, engage against, rather
than kill.
What does that imply? First, it suggests someone is to be fought. If
you fight someone, he somewhat must be taking part in combat mission.
If you aggress on someone who doesn't fight or has no capacity to
fight, this isn't call fight. It's called transgression or aggression.
I knew you are totally lacking credentials in what I am talking about.
This is a sample of what ignorance does when it dominates someone's
mind. Incidentally, I do not deny the fact that we are hostile toward
Jews. I utterly fathom your patrimonial affiliation to Jewish lineage.
I intensely detest Jews who are pro Zionists.
Muslims were so Hospitable
toward Jews, when they lived peacefully here in Egypt. Prophet
Muhammad, ( salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) was genial toward Jews when
he settled in Medina. He neighbored them peacefully until they,
abolished the covenant they antecedently assigned with him. Middle
class southern evangelists are increasingly the loyalest toward Jews.
Jews fooled them and made them develop protestantism. I won't ever
shake hand in peace with primal land thieves. Lastly, as for the
United States of dementia, Muslim ban, racial disparity,
discriminatory expatriation and so forth, I insist to persist in
expressing strident repudiation. Donald Trump reflects America's
intemperate antipathy toward Muslims. Thence, it is a natural
consequence to embrace a defying disposal. In Trump's ardent rallies,
audience of white dominance warmly spatted for his explicitly
xenophobic sentiment. If someone complied to indoctrination, he is
then hailed and endorsed. Nevertheless, if someone determined to speak
up against prejudice and stereotypical notions, he is instantly
labelled as a hypothesised terrorist. On this Sunday, I address
Americans who're worshippers of the Donald, you are regrettably losing the
battle.
White Christian America is broadly blackguarded across the globe.
America has unveiled its surliest portrayal in its whole history. I
absolutely despise Reagan type of Americans. Those who enact
thuggishness to manipulate foreign mortals. The situation with
thuggish Americanism is utterly nonarbitrable. Some people, who have
no actual adherence to initial identity like the one wrote me a
response below are hastened to seek refuge with Americanism for
recognition. This is why, they strenuously attempt to imitate
Americans in just everything and in particular, in their common manner
of maintaining a scowlingly colloquial rhetoric. The federal nation
strives to proliferate greed through the expansion of weapon
merchandise to two infringing parties. They sell deadly assault
weapons to both sides in the conflict, to insure their profit grows
vigorously. Even, up until this moment, they aren't adequate to
determine, whether to sign a bill for gun restrictions. Despite the
massive recurrence of fatal mass shootings, they see no problem in
selling repeating firearms to the civil market. After decades in
obscurity, Americanism determined to be quite denotative. Back in the
day, Americanism used the concept of the stick with a carrot. At the
moment, it uses the stick without any carrot. Although the newest
policy is tougher than former fashions, it makes it easy for you to
distinguish friends from enemies. There is no place for dissimulation.
Donald Trump revealed what America actually is. The central theme of
the American dream is essentially based on, against or, with me. This
is why, someone has to choose what to ultimately espouse. People of
darker complexion are usually traced for disaffiliation. This is why,
up until now, there are people who assume Obama is of Muslim origin.
Yes, this is how just hilarious someone could possibly be. This is
what ignorance does to the mind. Americanism symbolises ugliness in
its worst figure. I repeat again, a greencard bearer is no longer a
sign of honour to anyone in the world. This is why, I determinedly
ascertain to criticise Americanism for the enormous disruption it
brought to the world. If you trace the commence of any human disaster
in the world today, you'll eventually find America behind its incitation and
emersion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maya Pureseva-Jeffrey" <maya@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bob" <ebob824@ gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Americanism fragility, continuum pronouncement
Can I kindly ask to be unsubscribed from this incoherent stream of
consciousness? I'm sick and tired to hear the same ranting over and
over again, not to mention that it's written in a language that no
sane person can comprehend. Your statements are hateful and
outrageous, and I don't want to hear them anymore.
Better focus your attention on your own country, where at least 30%
of people are illiterate, that's more alarming than all this
political junk and subjective stereotypical and highly offensive
views about other people.
Sorry for being rude, but I've had enough of this bullshit.
Thanks.
16.03.2018 20:19, Bob пишет:
Well, to Carl and all, I thought I won't ever be misapprehended on
this list after I clarified myself more than once. However, I
apologise if I misused this list. I did not intend to do so. I knew
that plenty of you are anti Trump and anti political fascism. I join
you in listening to alternative media. As I write this response, I
just finished listening to Chris Hedges interview on national public
radio regarding one of his books called Days of Destruction, Days of
Revolt. The book chronicles life in poverty in different parts of
the United States. But to be quite fair, this doesn't solve the
longstanding prob in my forgotten region. With all respect, mister
Hedges just talks and so do I. This is why I get frustrated
sometimes, when talk is the maximum of what could be exerted. I
naturally feel incensed and thence, seek refuge with ranting as I
did earlier this morning. When someone like hellion Trump tampers in
my domestic affairs and no one is able to stop him, I must go
insane. I am often told, your religion is the major source of
threatening evil. This justifies transgression for them. Excuse me,
your nation doesn't face civil conflict, extreme poverty and mass
exile because of ruthless bombardment
that is broadly besieging Syrian towns. You are calmly sitting at
home, listening to your favourite podcast while drinking coffee and
devouring on a large bag of cookies. Pastor Jason of Baltimore,
attempts to manipulate my heritage and identity. He connives with
Zionists to destroy Muslim culture.
He is of Jewish descent, so I am not surprised. By the way Jason, I
am still waiting for the quote of the Koran that literally says,
kill all Jews and Christians or whatever it might be. I want actual
Koran in classical Arabic rhetoric, not a distorted or misquoted
translation of the daily mail or Israeli press. This is a plain
instance of why I am angry with Americanism, because it's never
honest. My major engagement has indeed to be with Ronald Wilson
Reagan type of Americans. I won't ever defer to attempts of coercion
and eminent imperialism by American aggression. I am proud of what I
firmly belong to. Subsequent to the deadly collapse of Manhattan's
tallest skyscrapers in New York, the United States began to act as
the world's veritable police. We won't let them boss us around. It's
time to stand our ground. I do not speak in apologetic manner.
Americanism is dying of unhealed malignant neoplastic disease. As to
those who are spiritually deprived, the world's renowned atheist,
English theoretical physicist, Stephen Hawking died recently. He
indeed took nothing with him. He is now destined to hell because of
denying the truth. He fallaciously oppugned deity's existence. Well,
he didn't choose not to die. When the matter had been decreed, he
utterly submitted. Atheistic curriculum has vanished in the face of
decisive evidence. Christendom, however, is the major cause of why
Atheism intemperately heightened among lay people in the vastly
baffled western world. In terms of temporal life, the west is
perfect. But as for spiritual affairs, the west is broadly lost and
confused. The divine has either been personified or totally denied.
That is tremendously preposterous. It's enough for now. I better
hasten to catch up dawn prayer here and then, go make myself
breakfast.
I live my normal life. At the same time, I freely criticise
transgressive Americanism and Sisi's hilarious reelection, which is
due to take place soon.
----- Original Message ----- From: "R. E. Driscoll Sr"
<llocsirdsr@xxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Bob Evans" <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility
Carl:
Surely you understand that Bob is right and you are wrong because
that is the way it is!
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for your response to Bob's rant, Miriam.
Human nature is going to be the death of our species. Why is it
that Bob can see the effects of a Self Righteous America, but can't
see that it is the same as his own hard nosed position?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wonder why you sent this message to the Blind Democracy list? In
it, you write about all of us, individual people who live in the
US, who vary in our racial , ethnic, and religious backgrounds, in
our economic status, in our political beliefs, as if we were all
the same. You stereotype Americans.
Many of us are differing every day with people who stereotype
Muslims, who think that everyone who lives in the Middle East is
the same. After having had communications with many of us, I would
have hoped for a more meaningful communication from you.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:43 AM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org
Subject: [blind-democracy] Americanism fragility
In Trump's execrable era, Americanism has reached its peak of
nefariousness.
It is incomparably the surliest portraiture of this enormously
opprobrious nation. Its tenets are essentially based on racial
disparity and xenophobic entity. The latter, however, is rigidly
ingrained in America's white figure.
No one is happier to despise Americanism than your communicator. I
won't ever seek to have place among haters. It is a sign of
disgrace to be a greencard bearer. America's counterfeit pride has
utterly been toppled.
Sadly, the United States opted to be infinitely sequestered from
the rest of the world. Donald Trump is just a vivid reflection of
many residents of the discreditably white nation. If many of you
are somewhat offended because of what I say, they may then search
for the reason. Your regular tax revenue resembles a major factor
in Syria's civil conflict. Your nation doesn't do much except
prostrating to Zionism. In the United States, bibles and guns are
quite similar for middle class southern evangelists. Life there is
essentially based on philistinism, greed and lecherousness. Oval
office is despicable and iniquitous. I won't exclude anyone from
this mass stridence. Despite it being allegedly unsolicited,
Americanism is absolutely unwished here. It is vicious,
distasteful and unpropitiously reprehensible.
I won't ever dispose Islam to flatter any of you. Your faith is
certainly mesured with lacking practicality. Muslims in the States
are disenfranchised of practicing their belief properly. Ignorance
and detestable defamation of Islam is the cornerstone of what
people know about it in your purportedly civil nation. America's
proclaimed fundamentals of racial equality are substantially
oppugned. It is conspicuously notorious of broadly embracing
racial disparity. Thence, it is crucial to remain unpollutedly
scrupulous in the face of your malicious threat. It essentially
aims to perfectly destroy our identity and gradually, coerce us
into a distorted copy of their demonic heritage. I sent this out
to just bait its recipients in the States.
If
I
could do more to cause them even greater harm, I would have not
waffled to instantly do so. Why am I being explicitly inimical to
people there?
Because
of the fact that their nation is wholly held accountable for the
grave misery seen in Iraq, which used to be a prominently primal
repository of Islamic past refinement. Syria, is now the scene of
a chaotic situation.
It
is a war composed of communism led by Russia and its allies versus
the United States as it represents Capitalism in the furious
battlefield.
Now
who are the victims? Muslims and their kids are. Well, no one
really cares, as long as Muslims are dying and not someone else.
Over the last five years or so, Sunni Muslims in Syria are
relentlessly subjected to ruthless murder and expatriation to
border camps. The United States doesn't assume itself being
impelled to guard those who are broken because of considerably
inclement warfare. It rather bans refugees from entering the States.
The
reason? Well, putatively, terrorism. The federal justice
department wasn't sufficiently adequate to prevent this
scandalously practice of purposeful racial segregation, primarily
based on faith motives. Syrian refugees were rather warmly
welcomed and keenly received in countries like Turkey, Jordan and
Egypt. So, before asking me to remove you from this mass
repudiation that certainly baits you, be brave and confront the
bitter truth. Ask yourselves, why am I intentionally disappointing
you? and, why are you so hated in the rest of the world? Well,
that's enough for now.
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