A number of thoughts came to me as I read Mustafa's latest indictment of
America. The first was that the US followed in the footsteps of European
colonial countries like France and England, and it is England that held Egypt
as a colony. Furthermore, England continues to partner with the US in almost
all its colonial exploits. It is Great Britain who carved out a Jewish
homeland in the Palestinian Mandate which it took after WW1. True, the US has
taken over from Great Britain. But I must also point out that several Africans,
when their countries gained independence, became authoritarian leaders and
treated their people quite badly. I suspect that if they had more money and
stronger militaries, they might be attempting to conquer other countries and
bend them to their will. As for the Evangelical Christians, one of the
columnists at The Nation Magazine pointed out that people tend to overlook the
sins of political leaders with whose politics, they agree. As an example, she
mentioned Senator Ted Kennedy, a Liberal Democrat, who had a drinking problem,
and whose relationship with a young woman, led to her accidental death. He left
her in a car when he was drunk, and she died. I don't remember all the details,
but he was culpable. But a lot of very nice, good hearted people, managed to
seemingly forget the incident because they agreed with his politics.
Miriam
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 3:24 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum pronouncement
During the last few weeks before November the eighth, two thousand and sixteen,
a release of a tape featuring Donald Trump bragged about groping women went
viral. He later commented that it was just a locker room talk. Shortly after
though, his reputation is unprecedentedly conquerable. Three women at least
are sueing Donald Trump the property tycoon, absurdly the chief of oval office
with the allegement that he had affairs with them. Nevertheless, what is the
story behind his inscrutable affair with this broadly controversial adult
actress known as Stormy Daniels? Her actual name is Stephanie Gregory. Despite
what I read here and there, it seems he had known this adult star for quite
sometime. Wealth fetches filth. This man is conspicuously notorious of deeply
submerging in decadence. Thence, I must ask southern evangelists, is your
president somewhat devout? This person seems to have considerable affiliation
with porn merchants. A polygraph test has recently been conducted with the
adult actress, corroborating her affair with Donald Trump, a statement which he
insists to deny. The genuineness of what you call the evangelical community is
critically oppugned. Your trusted chief is relentlessly sieged with abrasive
criticism.
He is essentially deficient of basic morale. Pastors are the most frequent
people to lie and alter truth. They do so for mainly secular interest. They
are owned and massively controlled by capitalistic tenets. They're spiritually
impoverished. Your current chief is bigot, misanthrope and demagogue. In
advanced of telling people how to live, you should be concerned of your own
business. Although I currently reside in a developing, poor, backward and
autocratic state, I have got the courage to scold press hypocrisy in my society.
How many person among immigrants to your piece of land are genuinely patriotic?
Haven't they been brought from the trash of various societies across the globe?
I do not hate Egypt. I just despise the tremendous amount of fraudulence in
this country which is sweeping our people, turning them into bunch of
unfavourable bootlicks. As long as I am alive and can type in plain and proper
English, I will continue to rebuke and bait Americanism protagonists. If
someone doesn't like the way I sound, he must ask for the reason.
Americanism deceived
the world and took the Muslim world to a damnable destiny. If my words are
baiting those of white skin, I would have considered that a good job. Are you
trustworthy with yourselves? I am not afraid of anything, neither domestically
nor abroad. I never saw a culture that is so repelling in such negative manner.
Washington's capitol is scoured with endless scandals. It is broadly
blackguarded. Hey, go home to mommy, she'll tuck you in bed.
Who said that
on occasions? No no, not Trump to a protestor. :)
On 3/20/18, R. E. Driscoll Sr <llocsirdsr@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Miriam:
Please accept my most sincere congratulation.
Beautiful.
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 20, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Mustafa,
I'm sad to say this, but your generalizations about Jews are inaccurate.
Your knowledge is limited to what you have read and to what you have
been told. There are three branches of Judaism: Orthodox,
Conservative, and Reformed. The people who are religious adhere to
very specific beliefs and practices within these three branches.
Orthodox Judaism can be further divided, as can Conservative Judaism. Some
Orthodox Jews are Hassidic.
There are various kinds of Hassidim. There are Jews who do not follow
religious practices fully, but who are still believers. And then
there is a wholly separate group of Jews who are secular. Many of
them were, at one time, Socialists. Some were Communists. Few are now, but
some still are.
Now, you have made statements in this email which indicate that you
have no tolerance for people who do not believe as you do. But you
consistently send emails to Americans, criticizing them for
misunderstanding the Muslim world and for their attempts to dominate
the world in general. I know from what I have read and heard, and
from people whom I've met, that there are many different kinds of
Muslims. Some are devout. Some are not. Some are secular, but they still
identify culturally with the Muslim world.
That is true of people who were born into all religions. If we want a
peaceful world where people can live to their full potential and get
along with each other, it's important to tolerate and accept, and
even embrace, the differences among us.
Miriam
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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:58 PM
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
Hello. At the beginning of his theological history, Martin Luther had
antisemitic views. However, subsequent to his creation of what is
known now as the Protestant Church, he reconciled with the Jews. I
urge you not to rely that much on what you find on the internet.
Most of internet content is published by people who're not wholly
exposed to historical facts.
Moreover, Israel in its essence has indeed nothing to do with
Judaism, just as the United States has no affiliation with actual
Christianity.
From day one of its inception, Israel based its tenets on
essentially apartheid notions. Israeli citizens are divided into two
major categories.
First, Ashkenazi Jews. Those who came from eastern Europe or German
descent. When they migrated to the occupied territory, they were
sustained with provision, shelter, security and financial stability.
Second, Sephardic Jews. Those who are of Spanish, Portuguese or
North African descent. When they came to the supposedly promised
land, they were left in camps and were totally disposed for a while.
They were abused, just as the Palestinians are maltreated nowadays.
This signifies a radically racial disparity. Now, back to Christian
Zionism and its primal exponents in the United States. I am still
marvelled at their ability to indoctrinate millions of fellow
Americans. Donald Trump is a misanthrope and a demagogue be that as
it may, he is backed by those evangelists. I am not really sure,
what for and why? This indeed oppugns their legitimacy for spiritual
leadership. As for Luther's thoughts on Islam, I'd like to clarify a little
point.
Western notions about Islam are often of nescience and detrimental
factors. Thence, I am perfectly inattentive to what a western figure
has to say about Islam. Even if he hails it for some cause or
another, I still don't care. His flattering remarks won't prettify
Islam nor his disparaging sentiment will derogate its authenticity.
Therefore, I basically do not give any western perspective on Islam
the least of significance. Despite its positive outcome or negative
connotation, it has an agenda in either situation. This is why I
totally dismiss what westerns say about Islam. Western lifestyle
doesn't base its principles on stiff religious devotion.
Consequently, their attempts to disqualify Islam fell at the first
hurdle. People may or may not care to fathom. This is why I say, if
someone needed to have something about Islam explained to him, he
should have not hesitated to ask for this. Whether someone considers
me a terrorist or whatever, his opinion of me doesn't stand to the
least of worthfulness. So, I urge you not to waste your time
assuming I would comment on something as such. Jews in general are
conspicuously notorious of being absolute secularists. Western
lifestyle doesn't fend for proper religious life. Islam is the only
faith on earth which demands its embracers to adhere doctrinal
tenets and enactment simultaneously. Criticism to Islam accuses it of
cruelness and savagery.
If it really was, it would have not been the cause of developing a
prosperous civilisation in today modern Spain known as Andalusia.
Strangely though, modern English dictionaries may refer to Andalusia
as the region of formerly Moorish architecture. However, they won't
ever tell you that Muslims were the ones behind this outstanding art.
Islam is a plain opponent to the west. The conflict erupted back in
ancient times, when the west transgressed on Muslim land and
attempted to occupy Jerusalem. Jihad is misportrayed for vicious
aims. This is why, I won't ever listen to what they say. Lastly,
Great Mills High School in Great Mills, Maryland, is on lockdown
after a shooting at the school, St. Mary's County Public Schools said on
its website.
It seems that the NRA is about to win the battle against law
enforcement.
Proposed gun restrictions have been deflected. Congressional
authority is basically infructuous.
On 3/20/18, Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, you are talking about Ashkenazi versus Sephardic Jews. This is
known
to ne after watching a popular Egyptian series called (Rafat Alhagan).
----- Original Message -----
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To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:18 AM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
There was a time when the majority of Israelis were not religious.
Many of
the original Zionists were socialists. The Kibbutzim were socialist
communities. So I thought, when I was young, that Israel was a
secular Democracy. Then I read a novel about Israel. I think that,
perhaps, the title was The Source. The author was James Mitchner.
The novel was written to glorify Israel and back then, before I read
it, I believed all of the positive propaganda in the US about
Israel. I discovered, from the book, that Israel is a Theocracy,
just like Saudi Arabia and Iran. It is run according to Jewish law
with rabbis as the arbitors of what is and is not, permissible. Only
Jewish religious marriages are recognized. Over the years,
Israel has sold itself to Americans as a free and Democratic society.
But in
fact, more and more of its Jewish citizens are ultra religious.
Certainly, all of the new immigrants from the US are religious Jews.
The society is racially stratified with Jews of European background
having the highest status and Jews of African background, treated
almost as poorly as Palestinians who live in the Occupied Territories.
Israeli citizens of Palestinian descent do not have rights equal to
those Israeli citizens who are Jewish.
A former member of this list who is a lapsed Catholic, had several
telephone
debates with me about Israel. He believed that the Jews had a right
to a homeland in Palestine because of what he read in the bible.
That is an argument put forth by the Jewish establishment which
supports Israel, and it
is also the reason for the Evangelical Christian support of Israel.
There are several anti-Zionist Jewish groups in the US, and their
membership
is growing. But they have no political power. They are marginalized
by AIPAC, the powerful Jewish lobby. Politicians are terrified of
saying or doing anything which appears to be anti-Israel. Laws have
been passed in several states to prevent people from participating
in the BDS movement, even though boycotts are considered protected
free speech here.
I am a member of a book review email list for people who download
books from
our National Library Service website. The first time I wrote a
positive review of a book that was critical of Israel, I received a
huge number of angry emails from other list members in response.
Even the people whom I knew to have more liberal views about
politics and society, were horrified by this book although they
hadn't read it. But they have been convinced by the media, films,
and books, that to criticize Israel is unacceptable. The information
about Israel isn't available to most Americans, not from the paper
of record, The New York Times, and not from National Public Radio,
certainly not from the corporate media.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
I think I should have clarified my position a bit further.
Judaism, is a monotheistic faith. It has its major theological
tenets embodied in the Torah and Talmudic literature. Zionism is a
movement of world Jewry that arose late in the nineteenth century
with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine. Just like
Muslims and Christians today, religion is not the central theme of their
scheme.
Typical citizens of Israel are commonly Atheists. Thus, the
apartheid statehood of Israel, which many Protestants today fend for
and it is said to be established From
Nile to Euphrates is immensely of secular primacy. This latter fact
is absolutely hilarious. Protestants support Israel, which its
corporal establishment has indeed nothing to do with religious
affairs. Jews fooled Martin Luther of Germany, and made him the
leader of what Protestants now call, Church reformation. It is
demonstratively fallacious as to how gravely
they are deceived. Back to Jewish thinkers who are against Israel
and even lay individuals. I believe they should work on publicising
their entity a bit more. This task is eminently awkward to attain.
There are major obstacles they will certainly have to confront.
First of which, the grimness
position of their Zionist rivals. The latter, however,\ has
substantial sources to forcefully impose his controversial
perspective. They have got the media, religious justification which
is perfectly devised, the power of
money and the decisive endorsement of state officials. There is a
stiff affiliation between America's unbroken integrity with Israel
and what southern Protestants teach to their fellows. They make them
assume they are
radically obliged to fend for Israel and that's the threat. They
politicised
the divine scripture, just as many Muslim fringe elements today, who
unfortunately enclose their conservative political orientation with
a counterfeit religious garment. Donald Trump used the propaganda of
faith to
get more voters during his presidential campaign. Do you think
Donald Trump
type of evangelists care whether their president goes to Church?
They knew he doesn't nevertheless, they still back him for hidden
racialist convictions. Donald Trump, however, fulfills the classical
definition of a demagogue. This is someone who seeks support by
appealing to popular passions and prejudices. This is typically a political
leader.
Therefore, the primal battle has to determinedly be waged against
those evangelists and
their apprentices. They resemble a major threat. Those pastors are
the primal motive for coercing intense antipathy and incessant
tension between
the United States and the Muslim world. Consequently, their
influence must be wholly extinguished. This could be done through
the proper usage of media to gradually raise awareness against the
vast threat of Christian Zionism and the vital necessity to totally dispose
it.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 2:51 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
Mustafa is not the only person who's confused about this. After all,
the Jewish establishment insists that all Jews must support Israel,
and Israel has just passed legislation proclaiming that it is the
homeland for all Jews.
Miriam
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<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran
Bailey (Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 9:09 PM
To: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; blind-democracy
<blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
Let me suggest that if Mostafa's vitriol against Jews really means
Jews who support Zionism that he just use the word zionists rather
than Jews, especially in fact that he admits that not all Jews are
Zionists.
On 3/18/2018 8:06 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
One of the American Jews who is a fine journalist and who does not
support Zionism, is Max Blumenthal. And there is Norman
Finkelstein, a professor whose mother was a victim of the
Holocaust, but who has written many books critical of Israel, and
has just written another one about Gaza. He has been shunned by
many universities and many of his colleagues, because of his
writings. People who espouse positions that are opposed to those
of the ruling elites in our country, may end up losing friends and
employment opportunities.
They may be pushed to the fringes. Chris Hedges, whom you mentiond
recently, was once a bureau chief at the New York Times. He was
fired when he gave a speech at a college in 2003, opposing the war
in Iraq. Most people aren't willing to risk their financial
security and social status in order to stand on principal.
Miriam
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<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 7:03 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
I am glad my words relieved you. Why would I hate you? What have
you done to me?
, I am also glad to learn from you, that there are groups in the
US, who're of Jewish descent dare to declare their belief of
declining Israel. It seems though, that they demand to publicise
their identity a bit further. I as a Muslim never hate someone for
his or her beliefs or convictions. Take Carl, for instance, I
disagree with him fundamentally. But, I respect him more than the
pastor I on occasion refered to, pastor Jason. Because he supports
Zionism. And why do we hate Zionists? Not because of their ethnic
or philosophical descent, but because, their agenda is based on
hostile motives, history alteration and ethnic cleansing. I just
recalled now, an American Jewish, who doesn't support Israel. He
is a known author and political thinker. His name is Mark
something. I should look him up.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 11:01 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
I'm relieved to know that you don't hate me because of my Jewish
heritage. I know that in the US, a majority of older Jewish people
still support Israel, not because they actually support Israel's
actions, but because they are kept ignorant of much of what Israel
does now and has done in the past by the media and also because
they have been conditioned to be fearful of anti-semetic ttacks by
the Christian majority and they see Israel as a safe haven. These
ideas have been reinforced by fiction and nonfiction books, as
well as films and speeches by politicians and Jewish leaders.
There is also pressure from family and from the Jewish community.
But a very large number of young Jews do not support Israel and
many are working to support Palestinian rights. There are older
people as well, people who no longer live in Israel, and some who
still do, who do not support Israel as a Jewish state or Jewish
homeland. Over the years, I learned facts which caused me to stop
supporting Israel, and I learned those facts from Jewish people,
some of whom were former Israelis. I was also a member of an
anti-Zionist email list that was run by an Israeli woman from
Israel. That's why I think it is so inaccurate and dangerous to
make generalizations about people based on their national, ethnic, or
religious identities.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob Evans
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 4:39 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
Mariam, clearly not. But, the type of Jews who would have enough
courage to stand firm against Zionism are insignificant. You're
obviously mixing things up. You're of the minority of Jews today.
I am obviously talking about pro Israelis, Zionists.
On 3/18/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So for all of us who believe in dialogue and tolerance, and who
also think that actions speak louder than words, what lesson can
we draw from Mustafa's response? Those of us who attempt dialogue
and preach tolerance, are treated to another verbal attack. And
here I am, a woman of Jewish heritage, who is consistently
criticizing Israel and who would be labeled as "anti-Semitic"
by Jews who support Israel, I wonder if Mustafa hates me because
I was born to a Jewish family. The world is truly a discouraging
place these days.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 3:54 PM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
Well, I start with the last, Maya Jeffrey. Thank you so much for
your sanitary rhetoric. Thank you for being so plain and
directly insolent. It seems it didn't take you too long to sound
exactly like those Americans. You struggled for a while in
imitating their lifestyle. Congratulations, you became one of
them. It is not my problem that the language I use is for some reason
difficult for you.
You are not the one to tell me what to focus on. I knew exactly
what I do and I knew how to serve people the best way. I also
have the right to criticise Americanism. I am glad it started
baiting you though.
Next, Brett Mehl. No, sir, I am not the way you described. The
word you used to call me, (GAY), is not what I am. This is
someone else, living next to you. It's not difficult to find many
of those in your neighborhood.
Roger, Carl and others, I am stiffly insusceptible.
And as for Jason, the divine text which you quoted its
transliteration renders as follows: "قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا
يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا
يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ
دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنْ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُوا
الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ". التوبة 29. Now, I knew
you are not competently edified in Arabic Morphology but, I must
clarify some terms. I base the subsequent illustration on
etymological roots. At its inception, there are two words to
critically examine. (قتل and قتال). The first, قتل, it basically
means killing, or to kill. The second, قتال, it means fighting,
or to engage in combat. Now, what does the verse say, it says,
قاتلوا, not اقتلوا. It says, fight, engage against, rather than kill.
What does that imply? First, it suggests someone is to be fought.
If you fight someone, he somewhat must be taking part in combat
mission.
If you aggress on someone who doesn't fight or has no capacity to
fight, this isn't call fight. It's called transgression or
aggression.
I knew you are totally lacking credentials in what I am talking
about.
This is a sample of what ignorance does when it dominates
someone's mind. Incidentally, I do not deny the fact that we are
hostile toward Jews. I utterly fathom your patrimonial
affiliation to Jewish lineage.
I intensely detest Jews who are pro Zionists.
Muslims were so Hospitable
toward Jews, when they lived peacefully here in Egypt. Prophet
Muhammad, ( salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) was genial toward Jews
when he settled in Medina. He neighbored them peacefully until
they, abolished the covenant they antecedently assigned with him.
Middle class southern evangelists are increasingly the loyalest
toward Jews.
Jews fooled them and made them develop protestantism. I won't
ever shake hand in peace with primal land thieves. Lastly, as for
the United States of dementia, Muslim ban, racial disparity,
discriminatory expatriation and so forth, I insist to persist in
expressing strident repudiation. Donald Trump reflects America's
intemperate antipathy toward Muslims. Thence, it is a natural
consequence to embrace a defying disposal. In Trump's ardent
rallies, audience of white dominance warmly spatted for his
explicitly xenophobic sentiment. If someone complied to
indoctrination, he is then hailed and endorsed. Nevertheless, if
someone determined to speak up against prejudice and
stereotypical notions, he is instantly labelled as a hypothesised
terrorist. On this Sunday, I address Americans who're worshippers
of the Donald, you are regrettably losing the battle.
White Christian America is broadly blackguarded across the globe.
America has unveiled its surliest portrayal in its whole history.
I absolutely despise Reagan type of Americans. Those who enact
thuggishness to manipulate foreign mortals. The situation with
thuggish Americanism is utterly nonarbitrable. Some people, who
have no actual adherence to initial identity like the one wrote
me a response below are hastened to seek refuge with Americanism
for recognition. This is why, they strenuously attempt to imitate
Americans in just everything and in particular, in their common
manner of maintaining a scowlingly colloquial rhetoric. The
federal nation strives to proliferate greed through the expansion
of weapon merchandise to two infringing parties. They sell deadly
assault weapons to both sides in the conflict, to insure their
profit grows vigorously. Even, up until this moment, they aren't
adequate to determine, whether to sign a bill for gun restrictions.
Despite the massive recurrence of fatal mass shootings, they see
no problem in selling repeating firearms to the civil market.
After decades in obscurity, Americanism determined to be quite
denotative. Back in the day, Americanism used the concept of the
stick with a carrot. At the moment, it uses the stick without any
carrot. Although the newest policy is tougher than former
fashions, it makes it easy for you to distinguish friends from
enemies. There is no place for dissimulation.
Donald Trump revealed what America actually is. The central theme
of the American dream is essentially based on, against or, with me.
This is why, someone has to choose what to ultimately espouse.
People of darker complexion are usually traced for disaffiliation.
This is why, up until now, there are people who assume Obama is
of Muslim origin.
Yes, this is how just hilarious someone could possibly be. This
is what ignorance does to the mind. Americanism symbolises
ugliness in its worst figure. I repeat again, a greencard bearer
is no longer a sign of honour to anyone in the world. This is
why, I determinedly ascertain to criticise Americanism for the
enormous disruption it brought to the world. If you trace the
commence of any human disaster in the world today, you'll
eventually find America behind its incitation and emersion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maya Pureseva-Jeffrey" <maya@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bob" <ebob824@ gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Americanism fragility, continuum pronouncement
Can I kindly ask to be unsubscribed from this incoherent stream
of consciousness? I'm sick and tired to hear the same ranting
over and over again, not to mention that it's written in a
language that no sane person can comprehend. Your statements are
hateful and outrageous, and I don't want to hear them anymore.
Better focus your attention on your own country, where at least
30% of people are illiterate, that's more alarming than all this
political junk and subjective stereotypical and highly offensive
views about other people.
Sorry for being rude, but I've had enough of this bullshit.
Thanks.
16.03.2018 20:19, Bob пишет:
Well, to Carl and all, I thought I won't ever be misapprehended
on this list after I clarified myself more than once. However,
I apologise if I misused this list. I did not intend to do so.
I knew that plenty of you are anti Trump and anti political fascism.
I join you in listening to alternative media. As I write this
response, I just finished listening to Chris Hedges interview
on national public radio regarding one of his books called Days
of Destruction, Days of Revolt. The book chronicles life in
poverty in different parts of the United States. But to be
quite fair, this doesn't solve the longstanding prob in my forgotten
region.
With all respect, mister Hedges just talks and so do I. This is
why I get frustrated sometimes, when talk is the maximum of
what could be exerted. I naturally feel incensed and thence,
seek refuge with ranting as I did earlier this morning. When
someone like hellion Trump tampers in my domestic affairs and
no one is able to stop him, I must go insane. I am often told,
your religion is the major source of threatening evil. This
justifies transgression for them. Excuse me, your nation
doesn't face civil conflict, extreme poverty and mass exile
because of ruthless bombardment
that is broadly besieging Syrian towns. You are calmly sitting
at home, listening to your favourite podcast while drinking
coffee and devouring on a large bag of cookies. Pastor Jason of
Baltimore, attempts to manipulate my heritage and identity. He
connives with Zionists to destroy Muslim culture.
He is of Jewish descent, so I am not surprised. By the way
Jason, I am still waiting for the quote of the Koran that
literally says, kill all Jews and Christians or whatever it
might be. I want actual Koran in classical Arabic rhetoric, not
a distorted or misquoted translation of the daily mail or
Israeli press. This is a plain instance of why I am angry with
Americanism, because it's never honest. My major engagement has
indeed to be with Ronald Wilson Reagan type of Americans. I
won't ever defer to attempts of coercion and eminent
imperialism by American aggression. I am proud of what I firmly
belong to. Subsequent to the deadly collapse of Manhattan's
tallest skyscrapers in New York, the United States began to act
as the world's veritable police. We won't let them boss us
around. It's time to stand our ground. I do not speak in apologetic
manner.
Americanism is dying of unhealed malignant neoplastic disease.
As to those who are spiritually deprived, the world's renowned
atheist, English theoretical physicist, Stephen Hawking died
recently. He indeed took nothing with him. He is now destined
to hell because of denying the truth. He fallaciously oppugned
deity's existence. Well, he didn't choose not to die. When the
matter had been decreed, he utterly submitted. Atheistic
curriculum has vanished in the face of decisive evidence.
Christendom, however, is the major cause of why Atheism
intemperately heightened among lay people in the vastly baffled
western world. In terms of temporal life, the west is perfect.
But as for spiritual affairs, the west is broadly lost and
confused. The divine has either been personified or totally denied.
That is tremendously preposterous. It's enough for now. I
better hasten to catch up dawn prayer here and then, go make
myself breakfast.
I live my normal life. At the same time, I freely criticise
transgressive Americanism and Sisi's hilarious reelection,
which is due to take place soon.
----- Original Message ----- From: "R. E. Driscoll Sr"
<llocsirdsr@xxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Bob Evans" <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility
Carl:
Surely you understand that Bob is right and you are wrong
because that is the way it is!
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks for your response to Bob's rant, Miriam.
Human nature is going to be the death of our species. Why is
it that Bob can see the effects of a Self Righteous America,
but can't see that it is the same as his own hard nosed position?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wonder why you sent this message to the Blind Democracy list?
In it, you write about all of us, individual people who live
in the US, who vary in our racial , ethnic, and religious
backgrounds, in our economic status, in our political
beliefs, as if we were all the same. You stereotype Americans.
Many of us are differing every day with people who stereotype
Muslims, who think that everyone who lives in the Middle East
is the same. After having had communications with many of us,
I would have hoped for a more meaningful communication from you.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:43 AM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org
Subject: [blind-democracy] Americanism fragility
In Trump's execrable era, Americanism has reached its peak of
nefariousness.
It is incomparably the surliest portraiture of this
enormously opprobrious nation. Its tenets are essentially
based on racial disparity and xenophobic entity. The latter,
however, is rigidly ingrained in America's white figure.
No one is happier to despise Americanism than your communicator.
I won't ever seek to have place among haters. It is a sign of
disgrace to be a greencard bearer. America's counterfeit
pride has utterly been toppled.
Sadly, the United States opted to be infinitely sequestered
from the rest of the world. Donald Trump is just a vivid
reflection of many residents of the discreditably white nation.
If many of you are somewhat offended because of what I say,
they may then search for the reason. Your regular tax revenue
resembles a major factor in Syria's civil conflict. Your
nation doesn't do much except prostrating to Zionism. In the
United States, bibles and guns are quite similar for middle
class southern evangelists. Life there is essentially based
on philistinism, greed and lecherousness. Oval office is
despicable and iniquitous. I won't exclude anyone from this
mass stridence.
Despite it being allegedly unsolicited, Americanism is
absolutely unwished here. It is vicious, distasteful and
unpropitiously reprehensible.
I won't ever dispose Islam to flatter any of you. Your faith
is certainly mesured with lacking practicality. Muslims in
the States are disenfranchised of practicing their belief properly.
Ignorance and detestable defamation of Islam is the
cornerstone of what people know about it in your purportedly civil
nation.
America's proclaimed fundamentals of racial equality are
substantially oppugned. It is conspicuously notorious of
broadly embracing racial disparity. Thence, it is crucial to
remain unpollutedly scrupulous in the face of your malicious
threat. It essentially aims to perfectly destroy our identity
and gradually, coerce us into a distorted copy of their
demonic heritage. I sent this out to just bait its recipients
in the States.
If
I
could do more to cause them even greater harm, I would have
not waffled to instantly do so. Why am I being explicitly
inimical to people there?
Because
of the fact that their nation is wholly held accountable for
the grave misery seen in Iraq, which used to be a prominently
primal repository of Islamic past refinement. Syria, is now
the scene of a chaotic situation.
It
is a war composed of communism led by Russia and its allies
versus the United States as it represents Capitalism in the
furious battlefield.
Now
who are the victims? Muslims and their kids are. Well, no one
really cares, as long as Muslims are dying and not someone else.
Over the last five years or so, Sunni Muslims in Syria are
relentlessly subjected to ruthless murder and expatriation to
border camps. The United States doesn't assume itself being
impelled to guard those who are broken because of
considerably inclement warfare. It rather bans refugees from
entering the States.
The
reason? Well, putatively, terrorism. The federal justice
department wasn't sufficiently adequate to prevent this
scandalously practice of purposeful racial segregation,
primarily based on faith motives. Syrian refugees were rather
warmly welcomed and keenly received in countries like Turkey,
Jordan and Egypt. So, before asking me to remove you from
this mass repudiation that certainly baits you, be brave and
confront the bitter truth. Ask yourselves, why am I
intentionally disappointing you? and, why are you so hated in
the rest of the world? Well, that's enough for now.
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