Mustafa is not the only person who's confused about this. After all, the Jewish
establishment insists that all Jews must support Israel, and Israel has just
passed legislation proclaiming that it is the homeland for all Jews.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Roger Loran Bailey
(Redacted sender "rogerbailey81" for DMARC)
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 9:09 PM
To: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; blind-democracy
<blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum pronouncement
Let me suggest that if Mostafa's vitriol against Jews really means
Jews who support Zionism that he just use the word zionists rather
than Jews, especially in fact that he admits that not all Jews are
Zionists.
On 3/18/2018 8:06 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:
One of the American Jews who is a fine journalist and who does not
support Zionism, is Max Blumenthal. And there is Norman Finkelstein,
a professor whose mother was a victim of the Holocaust, but who has
written many books critical of Israel, and has just written another
one about Gaza. He has been shunned by many universities and many of
his colleagues, because of his writings. People who espouse positions
that are opposed to those of the ruling elites in our country, may
end up losing friends and employment opportunities. They may be
pushed to the fringes. Chris Hedges, whom you mentiond recently, was
once a bureau chief at the New York Times. He was fired when he gave
a speech at a college in 2003, opposing the war in Iraq. Most people
aren't willing to risk their financial security and social status in
order to stand on principal.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 7:03 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
I am glad my words relieved you. Why would I hate you? What have
you done to me?
, I am also glad to learn from you, that there are groups in the US,
who're of Jewish descent dare to declare their belief of declining
Israel. It seems though, that they demand to publicise their identity
a bit further. I as a Muslim never hate someone for his or her
beliefs or convictions. Take Carl, for instance, I disagree with him
fundamentally. But, I respect him more than the pastor I on occasion
refered to, pastor Jason. Because he supports Zionism. And why do we
hate Zionists? Not because of their ethnic or philosophical descent,
but because, their agenda is based on hostile motives, history
alteration and ethnic cleansing. I just recalled now, an American
Jewish, who doesn't support Israel. He is a known author and
political thinker. His name is Mark something. I should look him up.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 11:01 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
I'm relieved to know that you don't hate me because of my Jewish
heritage. I know that in the US, a majority of older Jewish people
still support Israel, not because they actually support Israel's
actions, but because they are kept ignorant of much of what Israel
does now and has done in the past by the media and also because they
have been conditioned to be fearful of anti-semetic ttacks by the
Christian majority and they see Israel as a safe haven. These ideas
have been reinforced by fiction and nonfiction books, as well as
films and speeches by politicians and Jewish leaders. There is also
pressure from family and from the Jewish community. But a very large
number of young Jews do not support Israel and many are working to
support Palestinian rights. There are older people as well, people
who no longer live in Israel, and some who still do, who do not
support Israel as a Jewish state or Jewish homeland. Over the years,
I learned facts which caused me to stop supporting Israel, and I
learned those facts from Jewish people, some of whom were former
Israelis. I was also a member of an anti-Zionist email list that was
run by an Israeli woman from Israel. That's why I think it is so
inaccurate and dangerous to make generalizations about people based
on their national, ethnic, or religious identities.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob Evans
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 4:39 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
Mariam, clearly not. But, the type of Jews who would have enough
courage to stand firm against Zionism are insignificant. You're
obviously mixing things up. You're of the minority of Jews today. I
am obviously talking about pro Israelis, Zionists.
On 3/18/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So for all of us who believe in dialogue and tolerance, and who also
think that actions speak louder than words, what lesson can we draw
from Mustafa's response? Those of us who attempt dialogue and preach
tolerance, are treated to another verbal attack. And here I am, a
woman of Jewish heritage, who is consistently criticizing Israel and
who would be labeled as "anti-Semitic"
by Jews who support Israel, I wonder if Mustafa hates me because I
was born to a Jewish family. The world is truly a discouraging
place these days.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 3:54 PM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility, continuum
pronouncement
Well, I start with the last, Maya Jeffrey. Thank you so much for
your sanitary rhetoric. Thank you for being so plain and directly
insolent. It seems it didn't take you too long to sound exactly like
those Americans. You struggled for a while in imitating their
lifestyle. Congratulations, you became one of them. It is not my
problem that the language I use is for some reason difficult for you.
You are not the one to tell me what to focus on. I knew exactly what
I do and I knew how to serve people the best way. I also have the
right to criticise Americanism. I am glad it started baiting you though.
Next, Brett Mehl. No, sir, I am not the way you described. The word
you used to call me, (GAY), is not what I am. This is someone else,
living next to you. It's not difficult to find many of those in your
neighborhood.
Roger, Carl and others, I am stiffly insusceptible.
And as for Jason, the divine text which you quoted its
transliteration renders as follows: "قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا
يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلَا بِالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَلَا يُحَرِّمُونَ
مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلَا يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنْ
الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُوا الْجِزْيَةَ عَنْ يَدٍ
وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ". التوبة 29. Now, I knew you are not competently
edified in Arabic Morphology but, I must clarify some terms. I base
the subsequent illustration on etymological roots. At its inception,
there are two words to critically examine. (قتل and قتال). The
first, قتل, it basically means killing, or to kill. The second,
قتال, it means fighting, or to engage in combat. Now, what does the
verse say, it says, قاتلوا, not اقتلوا. It says, fight, engage
against, rather than kill.
What does that imply? First, it suggests someone is to be fought. If
you fight someone, he somewhat must be taking part in combat mission.
If you aggress on someone who doesn't fight or has no capacity to
fight, this isn't call fight. It's called transgression or aggression.
I knew you are totally lacking credentials in what I am talking about.
This is a sample of what ignorance does when it dominates someone's
mind. Incidentally, I do not deny the fact that we are hostile
toward Jews. I utterly fathom your patrimonial affiliation to Jewish
lineage.
I intensely detest Jews who are pro Zionists.
Muslims were so Hospitable
toward Jews, when they lived peacefully here in Egypt. Prophet
Muhammad, ( salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) was genial toward Jews
when he settled in Medina. He neighbored them peacefully until they,
abolished the covenant they antecedently assigned with him. Middle
class southern evangelists are increasingly the loyalest toward Jews.
Jews fooled them and made them develop protestantism. I won't ever
shake hand in peace with primal land thieves. Lastly, as for the
United States of dementia, Muslim ban, racial disparity,
discriminatory expatriation and so forth, I insist to persist in
expressing strident repudiation. Donald Trump reflects America's
intemperate antipathy toward Muslims. Thence, it is a natural
consequence to embrace a defying disposal. In Trump's ardent
rallies, audience of white dominance warmly spatted for his
explicitly xenophobic sentiment. If someone complied to
indoctrination, he is then hailed and endorsed. Nevertheless, if
someone determined to speak up against prejudice and stereotypical
notions, he is instantly labelled as a hypothesised terrorist. On
this Sunday, I address Americans who're worshippers of the Donald,
you are regrettably losing the battle.
White Christian America is broadly blackguarded across the globe.
America has unveiled its surliest portrayal in its whole history. I
absolutely despise Reagan type of Americans. Those who enact
thuggishness to manipulate foreign mortals. The situation with
thuggish Americanism is utterly nonarbitrable. Some people, who have
no actual adherence to initial identity like the one wrote me a
response below are hastened to seek refuge with Americanism for
recognition. This is why, they strenuously attempt to imitate
Americans in just everything and in particular, in their common
manner of maintaining a scowlingly colloquial rhetoric. The federal
nation strives to proliferate greed through the expansion of weapon
merchandise to two infringing parties. They sell deadly assault
weapons to both sides in the conflict, to insure their profit grows
vigorously. Even, up until this moment, they aren't adequate to
determine, whether to sign a bill for gun restrictions. Despite the
massive recurrence of fatal mass shootings, they see no problem in
selling repeating firearms to the civil market. After decades in
obscurity, Americanism determined to be quite denotative. Back in
the day, Americanism used the concept of the stick with a carrot. At
the moment, it uses the stick without any carrot. Although the
newest policy is tougher than former fashions, it makes it easy for
you to distinguish friends from enemies. There is no place for
dissimulation.
Donald Trump revealed what America actually is. The central theme of
the American dream is essentially based on, against or, with me.
This is why, someone has to choose what to ultimately espouse.
People of darker complexion are usually traced for disaffiliation.
This is why, up until now, there are people who assume Obama is of Muslim
origin.
Yes, this is how just hilarious someone could possibly be. This is
what ignorance does to the mind. Americanism symbolises ugliness in
its worst figure. I repeat again, a greencard bearer is no longer a
sign of honour to anyone in the world. This is why, I determinedly
ascertain to criticise Americanism for the enormous disruption it
brought to the world. If you trace the commence of any human
disaster in the world today, you'll eventually find America behind
its incitation and emersion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maya Pureseva-Jeffrey" <maya@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Bob" <ebob824@ gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Americanism fragility, continuum pronouncement
Can I kindly ask to be unsubscribed from this incoherent stream of
consciousness? I'm sick and tired to hear the same ranting over and
over again, not to mention that it's written in a language that no
sane person can comprehend. Your statements are hateful and
outrageous, and I don't want to hear them anymore.
Better focus your attention on your own country, where at least 30%
of people are illiterate, that's more alarming than all this
political junk and subjective stereotypical and highly offensive
views about other people.
Sorry for being rude, but I've had enough of this bullshit.
Thanks.
16.03.2018 20:19, Bob пишет:
Well, to Carl and all, I thought I won't ever be misapprehended on
this list after I clarified myself more than once. However, I
apologise if I misused this list. I did not intend to do so. I
knew that plenty of you are anti Trump and anti political fascism.
I join you in listening to alternative media. As I write this
response, I just finished listening to Chris Hedges interview on
national public radio regarding one of his books called Days of
Destruction, Days of Revolt. The book chronicles life in poverty
in different parts of the United States. But to be quite fair,
this doesn't solve the longstanding prob in my forgotten region.
With all respect, mister Hedges just talks and so do I. This is
why I get frustrated sometimes, when talk is the maximum of what
could be exerted. I naturally feel incensed and thence, seek
refuge with ranting as I did earlier this morning. When someone
like hellion Trump tampers in my domestic affairs and no one is
able to stop him, I must go insane. I am often told, your religion
is the major source of threatening evil. This justifies
transgression for them. Excuse me, your nation doesn't face civil
conflict, extreme poverty and mass exile because of ruthless
bombardment
that is broadly besieging Syrian towns. You are calmly sitting at
home, listening to your favourite podcast while drinking coffee
and devouring on a large bag of cookies. Pastor Jason of
Baltimore, attempts to manipulate my heritage and identity. He
connives with Zionists to destroy Muslim culture.
He is of Jewish descent, so I am not surprised. By the way Jason,
I am still waiting for the quote of the Koran that literally says,
kill all Jews and Christians or whatever it might be. I want
actual Koran in classical Arabic rhetoric, not a distorted or
misquoted translation of the daily mail or Israeli press. This is
a plain instance of why I am angry with Americanism, because it's
never honest. My major engagement has indeed to be with Ronald
Wilson Reagan type of Americans. I won't ever defer to attempts of
coercion and eminent imperialism by American aggression. I am
proud of what I firmly belong to. Subsequent to the deadly
collapse of Manhattan's tallest skyscrapers in New York, the
United States began to act as the world's veritable police. We
won't let them boss us around. It's time to stand our ground. I do not
speak in apologetic manner.
Americanism is dying of unhealed malignant neoplastic disease. As
to those who are spiritually deprived, the world's renowned
atheist, English theoretical physicist, Stephen Hawking died
recently. He indeed took nothing with him. He is now destined to
hell because of denying the truth. He fallaciously oppugned
deity's existence. Well, he didn't choose not to die. When the
matter had been decreed, he utterly submitted. Atheistic
curriculum has vanished in the face of decisive evidence.
Christendom, however, is the major cause of why Atheism
intemperately heightened among lay people in the vastly baffled
western world. In terms of temporal life, the west is perfect. But
as for spiritual affairs, the west is broadly lost and confused. The
divine has either been personified or totally denied.
That is tremendously preposterous. It's enough for now. I better
hasten to catch up dawn prayer here and then, go make myself
breakfast.
I live my normal life. At the same time, I freely criticise
transgressive Americanism and Sisi's hilarious reelection, which
is due to take place soon.
----- Original Message ----- From: "R. E. Driscoll Sr"
<llocsirdsr@xxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Bob Evans" <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanism fragility
Carl:
Surely you understand that Bob is right and you are wrong because
that is the way it is!
Richard
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:52 PM, Carl Jarvis <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks for your response to Bob's rant, Miriam.
Human nature is going to be the death of our species. Why is it
that Bob can see the effects of a Self Righteous America, but
can't see that it is the same as his own hard nosed position?
Carl Jarvis
On 3/16/18, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wonder why you sent this message to the Blind Democracy list?
In it, you write about all of us, individual people who live in
the US, who vary in our racial , ethnic, and religious
backgrounds, in our economic status, in our political beliefs,
as if we were all the same. You stereotype Americans.
Many of us are differing every day with people who stereotype
Muslims, who think that everyone who lives in the Middle East is
the same. After having had communications with many of us, I
would have hoped for a more meaningful communication from you.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 10:43 AM
To: "Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@freelists.org
Subject: [blind-democracy] Americanism fragility
In Trump's execrable era, Americanism has reached its peak of
nefariousness.
It is incomparably the surliest portraiture of this enormously
opprobrious nation. Its tenets are essentially based on racial
disparity and xenophobic entity. The latter, however, is rigidly
ingrained in America's white figure.
No one is happier to despise Americanism than your communicator.
I won't ever seek to have place among haters. It is a sign of
disgrace to be a greencard bearer. America's counterfeit pride
has utterly been toppled.
Sadly, the United States opted to be infinitely sequestered from
the rest of the world. Donald Trump is just a vivid reflection
of many residents of the discreditably white nation. If many of
you are somewhat offended because of what I say, they may then
search for the reason. Your regular tax revenue resembles a
major factor in Syria's civil conflict. Your nation doesn't do
much except prostrating to Zionism. In the United States, bibles
and guns are quite similar for middle class southern
evangelists. Life there is essentially based on philistinism,
greed and lecherousness. Oval office is despicable and
iniquitous. I won't exclude anyone from this mass stridence.
Despite it being allegedly unsolicited, Americanism is
absolutely unwished here. It is vicious, distasteful and unpropitiously
reprehensible.
I won't ever dispose Islam to flatter any of you. Your faith is
certainly mesured with lacking practicality. Muslims in the
States are disenfranchised of practicing their belief properly.
Ignorance and detestable defamation of Islam is the cornerstone
of what people know about it in your purportedly civil nation.
America's proclaimed fundamentals of racial equality are
substantially oppugned. It is conspicuously notorious of broadly
embracing racial disparity. Thence, it is crucial to remain
unpollutedly scrupulous in the face of your malicious threat. It
essentially aims to perfectly destroy our identity and
gradually, coerce us into a distorted copy of their demonic
heritage. I sent this out to just bait its recipients in the States.
If
I
could do more to cause them even greater harm, I would have not
waffled to instantly do so. Why am I being explicitly inimical
to people there?
Because
of the fact that their nation is wholly held accountable for the
grave misery seen in Iraq, which used to be a prominently primal
repository of Islamic past refinement. Syria, is now the scene
of a chaotic situation.
It
is a war composed of communism led by Russia and its allies
versus the United States as it represents Capitalism in the
furious battlefield.
Now
who are the victims? Muslims and their kids are. Well, no one
really cares, as long as Muslims are dying and not someone else.
Over the last five years or so, Sunni Muslims in Syria are
relentlessly subjected to ruthless murder and expatriation to
border camps. The United States doesn't assume itself being
impelled to guard those who are broken because of considerably
inclement warfare. It rather bans refugees from entering the
States.
The
reason? Well, putatively, terrorism. The federal justice
department wasn't sufficiently adequate to prevent this
scandalously practice of purposeful racial segregation,
primarily based on faith motives. Syrian refugees were rather
warmly welcomed and keenly received in countries like Turkey,
Jordan and Egypt. So, before asking me to remove you from this
mass repudiation that certainly baits you, be brave and confront
the bitter truth. Ask yourselves, why am I intentionally
disappointing you? and, why are you so hated in the rest of the
world? Well, that's enough for now.
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