I just chose this name to communicate with people abroad.
So, tell me about your experience with employment rate for blind people
there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 4:40 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanisation fragile
Bob,
The discussions about blindness arise spontaneously. In other words, they
happen because someone has an experience that they wish to share or a
memory, or because a new law may be written that relates to blind people.
There are two advocacy organizations of the blind here, The American Council
of the Blind and the National Federation of the Blind. People sometimes
write about what these organizations are doing. People also write about
accessible technology, although there are specific email lists for this. But
the issue also comes up on this list as well.
I am curious to know why you don't want to use your real name. We already
have one person whose name is Bob, on this list so having two of you might
be confusing.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 9:11 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanisation fragile
Miriam, thank you for your clarifying message. So, to start a relatively
positive conversation, what blindness concerns that you think might be
mutual to discuss?
Bob, just call me Bob here:)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2017 6:08 AM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanisation fragile
Mustafa,
Most of us on this Blind Democracy list are older people, older than 50
years of age, I think. We have all thought about the serious questions that
you mention, like the meaning of life and whether or not there is a God,
when we were much younger. These are the questions that American high school
and college students think about. Here, young people do debate philosophical
and political questions. Older people have usually decided about what they
believe. A majority of Americans do identify with one of the major
religions. But not everyone does and in the US, whether or not one believes
in a religion and what religion one chooses, is supposed to be one's free
choice. That is what is supposed to happen, although it hasn't always been
true.
So unless someone brings up the subject, people don't ordinarily talk about
these things. We don't think about what happens after death because most of
us are very concerned about our day to day lives, about financial issues,
medical issues, employment, housing, how climate change is affecting us, and
our families. Those of us who are blind have additional concerns.
When this email list was started, it was started by people in an
organization of blind people and it was started because of some issues that
arose in that organization at that time, back in 2003, I think. But the
focus of the list changed. So now we talk about blindness issues, as well as
current events, politics, and some personal concerns. Sometimes we are very
serious, and sometimes we are not.
All of us are concerned about the gun violence in our country. I think that
all of us on this list believe that there should be better gun control
measures, but we may disagree as to what these measures should be.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 9:46 PM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanisation fragile
Why the mention of divinity strikes Carl with an electrical shock?
Because there is one question he couldn't answer.
What happens after death?
At the moment, you could deride and ridicule faith as you wish.
However, inadvertence won't do more than temporarily remitting the answer to
this question.
I also enjoy nice food.
I like chocolate cookies but I never baked anything of these.
I like toast with peanut butter, scrambled eggs, chese, falafel and so on
for breakfast.
I just don't treat this life heedlessly.
That is the major difference between us.
It is so easy to dismiss serious subjects.
But, How could I possibly avoid them in the future?
I do not destine to depress, assault or sadden anyone.
Although I knew I'll probably be disposed and roasted, I opted to speak
genuinely.
Life is way short to be wasted in incessant inadvertence.
If there is a serious question I couldn't answer properly with my current
thoughts, it is a nice idea to spend some of my time seeking the truth.
Here in Egypt, thoughts of Atheism flow to the minds of our young people
faster than ever before.
We couldn't dispose this phenomenon as if it doesn't exist.
We regularly arrange conferences for raising awareness, strenghthening faith
boundaries and coping with young people concerns.
But, as for the senior citizen of the States, he happily chose not to
confront with purpose of life questions, why are we here?, where did we come
from? and where will we go?
I respect your stance.
I am not lecturing anyone on what to do and say.
I am just viewing the matter from my own perspective.
I initially talked about gun crisis and the second amendment and so on.
Why the conversation has been shifted to diss and deride faith again?
Unlike my religious folks, I won't flee or unsubscribe because I dislike
what people say.
I am just asking, what was the point?
For proficiency purposes, I urge anyone who destines to respond to refrain
from profanity or sarcasm.
I deeply respect different point of views.
I'll treat responses in the manner I deem appropriate.
Respectfully, Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Jarvis" <carjar82@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 7:39 PM
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanisation fragile
Well Miriam, there's no accounting for some folks taste.
Being raised on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, it's hard to think
of someone who dosen't like the flavor. But after saying that, I
can't remember Cathy ever making herself a PJ sandwich. At times she
does spread a thin layer of peanut butter on her toast, instead of
butter, but she would never, ever eat a slice of peanut butter cream
pie.
Which reminds me. I love a grilled cheese sandwich and a bowl of
tomato soup for lunch. Cathy can't stand the smell of that wonderful
soup. But she loves tomatoes.
One of the few things I will never again put in my mouth is cornmeal
mush. When I was a youngster, we ate tons of cornmeal mush on cold
winter mornings. Lumps! It always had lumps. I could hardly swallow
them, except I feared the wrath of mother even more than those gaggy
lumps.
But I love oatmeal mush. Old fashioned rolled oats. Boil the water,
pour in the oats and stir, and let stand for five minutes. Sometimes
I add raisins and top it with 4% milk and brown sugar and sliced
bananas.
Another way I like my cooked oat meal mush is to mix it with apple
sauce. And a real treat are oat meal cookies with raisins.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/12/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm not allergic. I've just never liked peanut butter, or peanuts, for
that
matter.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 10:38 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanisation fragile
Some folks use Almond Butter. I'm not much on the taste, but if you are
allergic to peanuts, it is a decent substitute. My son-in-law Brian is
highly allergic to peanuts. Even peas will make him sick, but peanuts
will
kill him. When our eldest grand daughter comes to Grandma's house, the
first thing she wants is a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, originally
known as, Sammich.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/11/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'd like them just fine if you could find a substitute for the peanut
butter.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 2:47 PM
To: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
Cc: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanisation fragile
Sugar and peanut butter will make a cookie all right. But it helps to
have a binder to keep them from crumbling. My One One One recipe
calls for 1 egg; 1 cup sugar; 1 cup peanut butter. I blend the egg
and the sugar together and then fold in the peanut butter.
Baking temperature is at a very low setting. I heat the oven to about
250 degrees and put teaspoon size globs on the greased cookie sheet,
usually pressing them down a little. Cook them for about 15 to 20
minutes.
I test them by tapping the cookie with my finger. If it's fairly
firm, they are done.
Since there is no flour in the mixture, we are actually melting the
ingredients together rather than baking them. No salt, no baking soda
and no flour.
And the easy thing is, you can increase the recipe as many times as
you wish.
I like them just the way they are, but Cathy says they're too sweet
for her.
Next time I make them I think I'll try mixing in some oatmeal and
raisins.
And maybe some chopped walnuts.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/10/17, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
How about this for a really simple peanut butter cooky. Mix equal
parts peanut butter and sugar thoroughly. Then mash out gobs of it
flat on a cooky sheet. I forget what temperature your oven should be
heated to, but 350 should do just fine. Bake for ten minutes. The
results are still a bit squishy, but let them cool and they harden
into cookies.
On 11/10/2017 4:36 PM, Carl Jarvis wrote:
Well, I do really try to send the message that I don't care what
people believe, as far as religion goes. But that is because at the
same time I find myself saying that All religion is at the bottom of
our human troubles. So I can refrain...a little, but Mostafa does
crank my chain, and I go rumbling off with my cannons of Peace,
blazing. Still, if we adopt your approach to religious discussion,
and apply it to other beliefs, we will wind up exchanging recipes
and valentines. Which might not be such a bad thing. Did I ever
tell you how to make the most simplest of all cookies? The One One
One Cookie.
When I taught food service in the BEP, it was the first item my
students learned how to make.
We sold them in the cafeteria, two for a dime, and soon we had to
expand the One One One Cookie to a Four Four Four Cookie, in order
to make enough to meet the demand.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/10/17, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You know, the religious arguing on this list is an example of what
is happening all over the world. There are various religious sects
fighting each other, like different kinds of Muslims, fighting each
other. Then we have people damning all Muslims and insisting that
Christianity is superior to Islam, that Islam is more violent than
Christianity. And we've had anti-Semitism for as long as the Jewish
religion has existed, it seems.
And
there have been conflicts among the various branches of Judaism.
And, of course, there are conflicts among the various branches of
Christianity also.
I've talked to Evangelical Christians who believe that their brand
of Christianity is the only true Christianity. And weren't there
wars over whether or not the Catholic Church should be dominant in
various European countries? There was the Reformation. And now we
have the New Atheists who differ from old fashioned atheists in
that they are as missionary minded as Mustafa.
Couldn't we please just stop having this same old tired debate on
this list.
Can't everybody just believe what he or she wishes to believe
without attempting to impose those beliefs, whether they be Muslim,
Christian, Agnostic, or Atheist, on everybody else?
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl
Jarvis
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:52 AM
To: blind-democracy <blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Bob Evans <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx>; Mostafa
<mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: Americanisation fragile
, as I've said before, you are a carbon copy of the Christian
fanatic, only you put Allah's banner on the top of your flag pole
in place of the Cross.
You wrote, "Allah blessed you
with numerous bounties to test whether you will be grateful or
ungrateful.
This is His divine statute, glory be to Him."
And what about those several millions of Indigenous People already
caring for this bountiful land? Are you suggesting that Allah is
prejudiced against the American Indian? Did Allah "allow" White
Europeans to enslave Black Africans because the Europeans needed to
learn how to play nice to Blacks? Or had those bad Africans earned
the enslavement that crushed them for hundreds of years? Allah,
may He rest in peace, and God, let Him rest eternally, are simply
Make Believe Genies. They may be called on as friendly Genies if
times are good, and they can be sent back into their lantern when
times are bad.
That makes more sense than pretending that Allah and God are
allowing one people to crush another in order to "allow" them an
opportunity to test their gratitude." Huh??? Say that again?
This is exactly the same babble that the Southern Radio Evangelist
shouts to his devoted Jesus Lovers.
If God and Allah are the best Gods we can dream up, what more proof
do you need to demonstrate that both come from within Man's limited
Dream World?
Carl Jarvis
On 11/9/17, Bob <ebob824@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The United States is a prominently spacious territory. It is
close to be a
continent. It is known for its unevidently tautened principles of
democracy, justice and equality. However, these values are
intemperately sniped with bigotry, xenophobia, racial
segregation, pride, hate incitement, derision and mass impudence.
Americans often have these concepts
mixed up. Free speech and hate rhetoric, the right to bear arms
and gun violence, liberty and travesty, pride and dignity.
Politics torn your nation
apart. Therefore, your imperial era is about to diminish. Allah
blessed you
with numerous bounties to test whether you will be grateful or
ungrateful.
This is His divine statute, glory be to Him. What brought Donald
Trump to oval office? Despite what was being said about Russian
meddling in past elections, Allah is willing to providentially
penalise wrongdoers. Donald Trump is obviously rapscallion,
racialist, bigoted, unreliable, unconscionable, propagandist,
dishonourable, misanthrope, prurient, flamboyant, aweless and
dissembler. He won against his rivals with exercising fallacious
rhetoric. He abhorrently dissed each and everyone. He
despicably affronted politicians, journalists and public figures.
We heard his emphatically offensive remarks against many people.
This is why educated
Americans are so upset. They are taken aback of this
unpresidential character to be elected. This is the divine manner.
Allah says in the Koran
what could be meaningly rendered as namely. And when We would
destroy a township, We send commandment to its folk who live at
ease, and afterward they commit abomination therein, and so the
Word of doom hath effect for it,
and we annihilate it with complete annihilation. This is a
commentary based
translation of verse sixteen in chapter seventeen. This verse
matches your
election conclusion in unrivalled precision. Donald Trump is
enormously affluent and thence, he is eligible to lead a nation
that is based on capitalistic tenets. He is deficient of basic
adequacy to manage a nursery or a small shop. His character
matches what I call typical nescience in imbecility. What arrogance
does?
Arrogance makes its bearer blinded to see the truth. When you
speak disparagingly of other traditions, this is the beginning of
your end. America’s reputable status is on its edge to collapse.
You may respectfully disagree with other people. However, it
certainly becomes a problem when this disagreement turns into
unsolicited conflict. You may criticise others or even debate
their views on particular
issues. Withal, it is a trouble if you desperately demand to
intolerantly demonise others to relentlessly justify your hostile
stance. Why don’t you folks learn from Canada? Canada is notably
recognised for its distinctive factors of practically promoting
diversity and multiculturalism. What is multiculturalism in Canada?
It is the doctrine that several different cultures rather than one
can coexist peacefully and equitably in a single country. So, you
could commonly encounter bits and bobs of everything. You don’t
have to forcefully be painted with certain colour to be welcomed
there. This is the plain difference between Canada and the States.
In the States, you have got to be Americanised in some form or
another to be accepted. This is what I call, the dominating
disease of racism.
Abraham Lincoln emancipated slaves but unfortunately, he treated
the symptom and disposed the disease. Slavery was the symptom but
racial disparity is actually the disease. I will always repeat
this assertion, racism has to be
portrayed as a deadly sinful act. Otherwise, change won’t occur
anytime soon. As for the recently aggrieved mass shooting of
Texas, controversial arguments about gun control rose again. Why
many members of the National Rifle Association act carelessly
about gun safety and regulation? Despite the recurrence of fatal
mass shootings in various places, American legislative committees
decline to significantly straighten the situation out. People
aren't safe at Churches, concerts, malls, medical centres,
campuses or school complex. Trump said in multiple occasions that
he take cares of all Americans. Subsequent to New York's truck
callous assault, he called for more intense procedures and
extremely enforced vetting to insure
potential terrorists aren't issued visas. However, he nearly acted
heedlessly concerning the massive shooting incident in Texas.
Isn't that a clear sign of double standard? This is the relentless
prob I have been encountering with your justice system for
consecutive decades. I knew for certain, many sensible and just
Americans aren't so pleased with what is happening in their country.
Americans became numb to such incidents.
Terrorism in their minds is only affiliated with Muslims. They
aren't stringent in their assessment. This is why I am often
tempestuous with American set of standards. This disposal of
practicing double standard is immensely prevalent. Whenever a
white guy commits mass murder, he is incessantly labelled as
mentally imbalanced. However, if a Muslim committed
that crime, he would have been instantly classified as a dire
Muslim radical
and the incident would have been considered an act of terror. The
portrait is now clearer than ever before. The question is, for how
long will we lie to ourselves? It is distinctly plain that we
aren't equal in their minds to
the white citizen who happend to be born there. Despite their
insistence to
deny this conclusion, evidence for it are gigantically triumphal.
I do not destine to unfairly extrapolate. I just desire to seek
equatable justice. I
attentively followed a three hours live coverage of the incident
on Youtube.
I think it was published by ABC Radio. The show host spoke
reasonably and his remote guests were competently sane in their
discussion. That is one of
the reasons why I believe sensible Americans out there aren't
generically satisfied with the current situation. The problem will
firmly be fixed if we
redressed what is in my so humble opinion, a grave
misinterpretation of the
second amendment. I rendered my entailment on its essence previously.
I won't ingeminate this for now. I did not take the literal
meaning of the text. I rather went deeper to the legal spirit of
the statute to properly derive consistent discernment. It needs to
be reviewed with further accuracy, accountability and unprejudiced
temperament. Thank you so much for
loyally reading this piece. I keenly look forward to hearing from
you.
Bob
