The real frustration to me is that most people don't want to hear the truth.
They don't want to know why things are happening. They're satisfied with
headlines and they believe propaganda because it's repeated over and over again.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [ACB-chat] the misuse of, "all" "always" "never"
"all of them"
For all our talk about "fixing it", The System is broken. We segregate by
color, age, financial status, sexual orientation, religion, and even left
handedness.
And it's all because of the fact that the system was built on a faulty base.
While there is a great amount of good in our Constitution, it was never meant
to include All the People. This new experiment was established by the Landed
Gentry and for the Landed Gentry. But it intentionally did not include the
Populous.
In order to have a say in this new government, you had to have a significant
stake in it. That is, Land or Wealth. And worse yet, you could count your
wealth in the numbers of slaves you owned.
So our great revolution got off on the wrong foot. We only solved the needs of
the White, Male, European, Landed Gentry. And then we began trying to "fix"
the System. We've come a long way down the right road, in spite of efforts by
our Ruling Class to derail us.
In witnessing the current behavior of some police officers, and the
destabilizing rhetoric of a few of our national leaders, we need to keep
foremost in our heads the fact that we are in a power struggle with the Ruling
Class. Rather than placing the well being of All the People foremost, the
Ruling Class goes forward on their quest to build the Great American Corporate
Empire. And as long as we allow them to take our labor and our independence,
they will continue to win.
Those four policemen we watched kill a man in under 9 minutes, are an example
of what the Ruling Class will buy with the money they stole from us.
Think of that when you go off to the factories to build war machines that could
be turned back upon you.
The real frustration to me, is that the Ruling Class will not give a single
inch without our having to forcibly take it back.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/4/20, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl,
I think there are two different things at play here. What happened to
you, and something similar but much less expensive once happened to
me, is an example of how the laws are set up to benefit the wealthy.
The wealthier one is, the more advantage one has in our legal system.
But what is happening now in terms of the police and people
demonstrating against the continued police murders of black people, is
a very specific result of our history of slavery and segregation. It's
true that during these demonstrations, the police have attacked some
white people as well as black people. These were either journalists or
white people who had joined their black brothers and sisters. And one
of the changes in the protests, is that they're motivated by more than
anger about police killing of black people. There's anger about the
increasing financial deprivation imposed on people ever since 2007 and
the mishandling of the pandemic. But the basic dynamic is that police
do not feel any hesitation now in treating protests in African American
communities as if these communities were war zones filled with insurgents.
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: [ACB-chat] the misuse of, "all" "always"
"never" "all of them"
Good Thursday Morning All.
It appears that this thread has tangled both the ACB chat list and the
Blind Democracy list. My apologies to those who wish to be left alone.
Frank, while I think you often(not Always)make good sense, I do
disagree with your final observation, when you wrote, "...when it
comes to justice for criminal cops, the system fails." I would
suggest that the system, with only a few exceptions, does not fail.
It does exactly what it is in place to do, provide protection that
enables the police to do what they believe to be needed, in order to
maintain "the peace". What I protest is that the Laws that govern us,
are not applied equally. For example, just to go to the ridiculous, I
have never seen three police officers holding down a Slum Lord who
just evicted a single mother and her children.
I've always(there's that problem word, Clifford)known that America's
Law and Order were in place to protect our mostly White, Male Oligarchy.
Only once have I ever tried to obtain "justice" through our Courts.
After laying out close to $6,000 in preparation costs, we were
informed that going before a jury would cost more than our piggy bank
contained. And our odds of winning were very slim. If we won, not
only would our pasture be saved, and our septic system preserved, but
court costs would be handled by the loser. But if we lost, the entire
affair would have exceeded $15,000 to 20,000. We chose to absorb the
$6,000 and let the beaver pond engulf our pasture and threaten our
septic system. But fortunately, in our case, a much more fundamental
System stepped in and saved us. Mother Nature! One fine night Mother
Nature burst the beaver dam and sent all the water down through our
neighbor's property.
The beavers finally gave up trying to rebuild, and moved off our creek.
But now that I've ranted, and , as Always, feel better, my point is
that the Law is not set in place to defend the poor, or even the
working/middle classes. It is an expensive process, and is designed
to protect the rights and properties of our First Class Citizens, and
even at its best, can take years of expensive legal finagling.
But even so, the Law is not Always the winner. That is due to the
fact that the Law is designed by, and administered by a weak link...Humans.
Finally, I do not consider myself to be anti American. I am a deeply
concerned Citizen, doing what I can do to bring about reforms that
will benefit All Americans. And hopefully help us to really drain
this stinking swamp and save democracy.
Carl Jarvis
On 6/4/20, Frank Ventura <frank.ventura@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Cliff, I read your statement about waiting for the judicial
process to run its course. I am slightly younger than you but still
consider myself an old-timer. One of the reasons you are seeing so
much anger that for those of us who have lived our entire lives in
urban environments we have seen that very same justice system fail us
time and time again when it comes to prosecuting crimes committed by cops.
In most cases the blue wall of silence prevents all but the most
publicized cases from being investigated. Internal affairs are put
under pressure to look the other way. The bigger the department the
bigger the pressure. In the small minority of cases that go forward
if there is no media attention there is no prosecution. When my
grandfather was killed in the Bronx my mother eventually received a
letter that the cop's action were unjustified and that the complaint
review board found it was homicide. Even with that in hand the
district attorney refused to bring criminal charges. That 8 by 11
piece of paper in the cop's file was the extent of the discipline. He
retired on a full disability pension. Now lets look at that even
smaller, miniscule, amount of crimes serious committed by cops that
actually are prosecuted. City cops usually elect to waive the jury
and get tried by a judge. The thinking is that it is easier to
intimidate one person than a whole jury, and they are right. Further
to that point the Fraternal order of Police and Police benevolent
associations are very good at reminding prosecutors and judges just
how much they need cops to do their jobs and that is why they should
"do the right thing" when it comes to trying cops. One of the tricks
that they like to do is at the very last minute before the trial the
judge agrees to move the trial out of the city to a court far out into the
suburbs.
Usually that is enough to keep the witnesses from testifying. Poor
city folks have little or no chance of making it 40 or 50 miles out
of the city to a court they aren't ever told where it is. Worse still
for some witnesses that do make it through the maze of witness
intimidation, sadly and scary is that they simply disappear just
prior to the hearings, never to be heard from again. If you think
this sounds like an old time radio drama then think again. In a city
of more than
9 million people it is not to hard to make a few individuals just
plain disappear. And, yes I know of folks who have gone missing. Your
loved one is set to testify at a hearing against a cop and she
suddenly disappears. What are you going to do? Call the cops,
seriously? Now lets look at the few very rare cases where prosecutors
actually do their jobs, witnesses aren't intimidated, and evidence
isn't "mishandled". Often, even with all of those things in place,
the judges simply ignore all of that and let the cop off the hook.
Even TV's "Judge Judy" has a connection to a case where that
happened. If you research doesn't find what the connection is, let me
know and I'll tell you. Now in the particular case of George Floyd
some folks are parallels to the murder of Eric Gardner. Although
there is validity in that, old timers like myself can remember even
farther back, to a similar case in the Bronx. A teenager was playing
football with a buddy. A cop was sleeping in his patrol car. The
noise woke the cops up. That angered him to the point where he choked to
death the kid.
The cop got off and actually today is a paid consultant to many of
our nation's police forces. He gets paid to coach the cops on how to
kill and get away with it (link below my name). Nice work if you can get it
eh?
The long and short of it is that when it comes to justice for
criminal cops, the system fails.
Frank
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Subject: [acb-chat] the misuse of, "all" "always" "never" "all of them"
Dear List Members:
I was taught long ago to avoid the use of some words,
unless I am dealing with a law of physics. I am amazed at the posts
to this list which characterize "all cops" or "all blacks" "all
rioters are white agitator's" "all demonstrators are peaceful"
We are seeing the use of the notion that just because
one person, whether or not that person is wearing the police uniform
or that person is throwing a bottle of gasoline with a lit wick means
all cops or all demonstrators are corrupt.
The basis for illegal discrimination rests on the proposition that
all of us are individuals and the actions of one of our number is not
a reflection on all who fall in to that category.
I am wondering whether or not the cop who put his
knee on Mr. Floyd had a past relationship with Mr. Floyd. If it
turns out they have had difficulties in the past, then murder in the
first degree should be charged.
Riots are not the way to try cases, as we need all of
the facts, and not just some information about the last minutes of Mr.
Floyd's life.
There are no doubt some men and women who are not
suited for police work, and those folks should be weeded out by the
departments. Here in Tennessee, there are dedicated officers who's
only job is to investigate complaints against other officers, and I
happen to know one of those officers, and he is dedicated to his
work, as it is his thinking that weeding out the bad cops is
important to the success of his agency and in order to help attain
the respect needed in order for police work to have the support of the
public.
When it comes to the luting, burning, and rioting
which is shown on the news each evening, I suggest that anyone
engaging in such conduct should be at risk of having deadly force
applied to them, regardless of the color of their skin or their
pedigree. I noticed this evening where to attorneys were arrested in
New York City for throwing fire bombs in to a police cruiser With
police inside. The mob mentality is a strange animal. Folks will
carry out acts in that atmosphere that they would normally never do.
It seems that many of the political enemies of
President Trump are also stoking the fires of unrest, as witnessed on
this list. The idea seems to be that if enough turmoil Exists in
the country, that the incumbent Office holder will be blamed.
I would suggest that those who obviously hate the
police, make sure that the police cease all activities in their home
areas. I believe that should police presence cease in an area, calls
would soon be received at police headquarters, asking for the return
of the men in blue.
In the absence of law enforcement, or where the police are
outnumbered, the news shows us what happens.
I know of not one person who is not horrified by the
actions of the man in blue who killed Mr. Floyd. The outrage is
shared by black, white, native Americans etc. The actions of the
rioters, of all colors, are also being condemned by the same folks
who were outraged by the killing of Mr. Floyd. The rioting only
serves to increase the the discriminatory views of some.
I also find that too many on this list have a
negative attitude about this country. While I have harped about the
damage the drug problem is inflecting on our country, I am still of
the opinion that the vast majority of our citizens are honorable,
hard working, and honest citizens. I have no plans to move to
another country. I wish for calm days ahead and that we let the
system of justice deal with the policemen who were involved with this
horrible event.
Yours Truly,
Clifford Wilson
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