Perhaps what she says is only understandable to people on the left.
Miriam
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Alice:
Miriam most certainly classifies me as a 'right-winger'.
However, I most assuredly would vote for Jill Stein if she would explain her
programs in a factual manner, i.e., understandable and meaningful to me.
R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.
On 12/25/2015 11:23 AM, Alice Dampman Humel wrote:
Well, you and everyone know(s) I'm not big on conspiracy theories.of
course no right winger would vote for Jill Stein, any more then any right
winger would vote for anyone even approaching left of center, whatever that
is these days.
So, yes, a vote for Jill does rather hurt the deme and benefit the
RepubliKKKraps.like my new name for them? haha
On Dec 25, 2015, at 8:32 AM, Frank Ventura <
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wrote:
Alice, yes we debate this time and time again. I agree with
your total analysis except for the point about a vote for Jill Stein being
taken as a protest against both major parties. I don't think it would be
seen as that nor used as that. I think it is only seen as a vote against the
Democratic party, which is how she has positioned herself. It is a one sided
protest. This is evidenced in that I have never heard of anyone on the right
side of the political divide stating that they are going to protest the
republican establishment by voting for Jill Stein. Further evidence, and
more damning, is that her activities are almost entirely in blue states and
act as a divisor to votes that would normally go to democratic candidates.
I'll go as far as to state that my opinion is that she is nothing more than
a republican operative.
Frank
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this is a debate that has been going on for decades now.
The cookie analogy is somewhat flawed, note I say somewhat,
because it's not the baker that removes the other trays of cookies from the
display case and from us, it is actually we who do that. As manipulated,
corrupt, bogus, deceptive as the process may be, there are primaries in
which the voters themselves eliminate all but one candidate per party per
office.
As for saying the dems and the RepubliKKKraps are the same,
this time at least, I think that's dead wrong. I may not like the dems,
either, and, by and large, I don't. But the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Trump,
Carson are far, far worse. Trump belongs in a locked mental ward
somewhere.has anyone told you about how he grimaces, twists up his face,
basically acts like a spoiled brat diva teen-ager, a little icing on the
poisonous cake of his words, to stay in the bakery metaphor...
And Miriam's proposed scenario about the cookies is actually
quite accurate.one of them could kill us or make our lives in any of a
number of ways, much, much worse.and we have no way of knowing which it
is.or maybe it's either one.
Vote for Jill Stein? OK, it will show up as basically a
protest vote and an indication of dissatisfaction with the system and with
either major candidate. Will it get us anywhere? I doubt it. Those votes and
those who cast them will be dismissed as the lunatic fringe, as it has
always been. Makes a good headline on page three. But otherwise?
On Dec 24, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Miriam Vieni <
<mailto:miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
But suppose the cookies in one tray will kill me, my
family, and my friends
within the week, and the cookies in the other tray
will allow us all to live
for, perhaps, several more years, although not
comfortably. Isn't it better
to make a choice?
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: A Crisis in White
America
To vote or not to vote. That is not the question.
The question is, what does my vote gain for the
betterment of the Working
Class Americans? Let's say that you and I enter the
local bakery and behold
a display case of some 25 varieties of yummy
cookies. "Take your pick", the
baker says with a huge grin. As we begin peering
through the glass in the
display case, the baker adds, "I should warn you
that you cannot consider
the cookies on the far Left. Nor can you choose
from those that do not have
approved ingredients. In fact, you must pick from
among those that have
already been taste tested and given a seal of
acceptance."
At this point, he begins grabbing up trays of
cookies and taking them to the
back room. Finally, he beams at us and points to a
couple of pans at the
far end. "These are the two varieties that have met
our high standards.
Which one would you like?"
As we stare at the two pans we notice that they are
actually almost
identical. We are given the same options when it
comes to selecting,
voting, for our politicians. We see many names and
political parties
displayed, but when the final ballot is handed to
us, we have been reduced
to voting for one of two political parties. And
when we look closely, they
are one and the same.
So keeping in mind that your vote has already been
compromised, should you
care if you cast it or not?
By not voting, we are charged with being unAmerican.
By voting, we simply
play into the hands of the Ruling Class.
True Patriotic Americans will rise up and replace
the corrupt Capitalistic
Oligarchy with a new democracy.
But many will be hurt in the process. The Empire
will not go quietly.
And even among those who secretly despise it, there
are those who would sell
out their own mother or father for a little favor.
Our short term future looks very bleak.
Carl Jarvis
On 12/23/15, Bob Hachey <
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Point well taken. The one thing I refuse to
do is to not vote at all.
That's what the ruling class really wants in
my view. IT really gets
me going when someone complains about our
government, then you learn
that they haven't voted in a long time or
ever.
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Yes, that is an easy out for both of us. I
can do the same thing in
New York. But suppose if weren't. What would
I do then? Clinton's
domestic policies would be incrementally
better than a Republican's, I
guess. But I look at what Obama has done
domestically, or rather, what
he hasn't done, and add to that how the
military and security budgets
keep increasing, and one wonders whether, at
some point, there'll be
any difference at all. Of course, the
rhetoric will continue to be
different. But the reality?
Miriam
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Hi all,
Well, living in Massachusetts gives me the
luxury of voting my
conscience and not being responsible for
helping to put the likes of
Trump or Cruz in the Whitehouse. That's
because there is no way any of
the Republicans will win the general
election here.
Given that Clinton will be the democratic
nominee, I will be planning
to vote for Jill Stein.
Bob Hachey
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In fact, there was an article about how
people in his own party can't
stand Ted Cruz. Apparently, they find him
unpleasant and a
troublemaker. And Hillary's foreign policy
doesn't differ from the
Republicans'.
Miriam
Miriam
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: A Crisis in
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HI
Hilary is both right and wrong. Trump is
encouraging ISIS to think
all Americans Hate Muslims. She is wrong
that they use his picture.
They don't need to show a picture. All he
needs to do is open his
mouth and words fall out.
I think Ted Cruz is even scarier than
Trump.
I won't vote for Hilary. She really isn't
much different than most
of the Republicans. Either way we are lost.
Salaam alaikum
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