Alice, yes we debate this time and time again. I agree with your total analysis
except for the point about a vote for Jill Stein being taken as a protest
against both major parties. I don't think it would be seen as that nor used as
that. I think it is only seen as a vote against the Democratic party, which is
how she has positioned herself. It is a one sided protest. This is evidenced in
that I have never heard of anyone on the right side of the political divide
stating that they are going to protest the republican establishment by voting
for Jill Stein. Further evidence, and more damning, is that her activities are
almost entirely in blue states and act as a divisor to votes that would
normally go to democratic candidates. I'll go as far as to state that my
opinion is that she is nothing more than a republican operative.
Frank
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Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: A Crisis in White America
this is a debate that has been going on for decades now.
The cookie analogy is somewhat flawed, note I say somewhat, because it's not
the baker that removes the other trays of cookies from the display case and
from us, it is actually we who do that. As manipulated, corrupt, bogus,
deceptive as the process may be, there are primaries in which the voters
themselves eliminate all but one candidate per party per office.
As for saying the dems and the RepubliKKKraps are the same, this time at least,
I think that's dead wrong. I may not like the dems, either, and, by and large,
I don't. But the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Trump, Carson are far, far worse. Trump
belongs in a locked mental ward somewhere...has anyone told you about how he
grimaces, twists up his face, basically acts like a spoiled brat diva
teen-ager, a little icing on the poisonous cake of his words, to stay in the
bakery metaphor...
And Miriam's proposed scenario about the cookies is actually quite
accurate...one of them could kill us or make our lives in any of a number of
ways, much, much worse...and we have no way of knowing which it is...or maybe
it's either one.
Vote for Jill Stein? OK, it will show up as basically a protest vote and an
indication of dissatisfaction with the system and with either major candidate.
Will it get us anywhere? I doubt it. Those votes and those who cast them will
be dismissed as the lunatic fringe, as it has always been. Makes a good
headline on page three. But otherwise?
On Dec 24, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Miriam Vieni
<miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
But suppose the cookies in one tray will kill me, my family, and my friends
within the week, and the cookies in the other tray will allow us all to live
for, perhaps, several more years, although not comfortably. Isn't it better
to make a choice?
Miriam
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To vote or not to vote. That is not the question.
The question is, what does my vote gain for the betterment of the Working
Class Americans? Let's say that you and I enter the local bakery and behold
a display case of some 25 varieties of yummy cookies. "Take your pick", the
baker says with a huge grin. As we begin peering through the glass in the
display case, the baker adds, "I should warn you that you cannot consider
the cookies on the far Left. Nor can you choose from those that do not have
approved ingredients. In fact, you must pick from among those that have
already been taste tested and given a seal of acceptance."
At this point, he begins grabbing up trays of cookies and taking them to the
back room. Finally, he beams at us and points to a couple of pans at the
far end. "These are the two varieties that have met our high standards.
Which one would you like?"
As we stare at the two pans we notice that they are actually almost
identical. We are given the same options when it comes to selecting,
voting, for our politicians. We see many names and political parties
displayed, but when the final ballot is handed to us, we have been reduced
to voting for one of two political parties. And when we look closely, they
are one and the same.
So keeping in mind that your vote has already been compromised, should you
care if you cast it or not?
By not voting, we are charged with being unAmerican. By voting, we simply
play into the hands of the Ruling Class.
True Patriotic Americans will rise up and replace the corrupt Capitalistic
Oligarchy with a new democracy.
But many will be hurt in the process. The Empire will not go quietly.
And even among those who secretly despise it, there are those who would sell
out their own mother or father for a little favor.
Our short term future looks very bleak.
Carl Jarvis
On 12/23/15, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Point well taken. The one thing I refuse to do is to not vote at all.
That's what the ruling class really wants in my view. IT really gets
me going when someone complains about our government, then you learn
that they haven't voted in a long time or ever.
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Yes, that is an easy out for both of us. I can do the same thing in
New York. But suppose if weren't. What would I do then? Clinton's
domestic policies would be incrementally better than a Republican's, I
guess. But I look at what Obama has done domestically, or rather, what
he hasn't done, and add to that how the military and security budgets
keep increasing, and one wonders whether, at some point, there'll be
any difference at all. Of course, the rhetoric will continue to be
different. But the reality?
Miriam
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Hi all,
Well, living in Massachusetts gives me the luxury of voting my
conscience and not being responsible for helping to put the likes of
Trump or Cruz in the Whitehouse. That's because there is no way any of
the Republicans will win the general election here.
Given that Clinton will be the democratic nominee, I will be planning
to vote for Jill Stein.
Bob Hachey
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In fact, there was an article about how people in his own party can't
stand Ted Cruz. Apparently, they find him unpleasant and a
troublemaker. And Hillary's foreign policy doesn't differ from the
Republicans'.
Miriam
Miriam
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HI
Hilary is both right and wrong. Trump is encouraging ISIS to think
all Americans Hate Muslims. She is wrong that they use his picture.
They don't need to show a picture. All he needs to do is open his
mouth and words fall out.
I think Ted Cruz is even scarier than Trump.
I won't vote for Hilary. She really isn't much different than most
of the Republicans. Either way we are lost.
Salaam alaikum
