Hi Sarah,
Yes something similar to what you describe could be implemented with
some work. If you can brainstorm a bit more and let me know some of your
thoughts on how effective such a system would be, that'd help me out. Feel
free to write me off list as well.
Additionally I would definitely want help compiling tips, as it seems I
think I'm the only one that uses the other system I wrote :-(
Jake
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 6:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] tip pages
Jake, Your suggestions sound great. I really don't know anything about creating dynamic pages--including how easy or hard it is to create something like you discribe. How would you accept tips? Would they submit them by filling out a form that asks things such as:
what category to place the tip in, which I would imagine could take the form of a combo-box including "other" as an option. An edit for the title of the tip. A field that would contain the text of the tip itself
. A check-box asking whether to display the contense of an edit where the provider of the tip could type their name, which would appear in the page as the line "Tip submitted by _____."
Actually some tips might fit in more than one list, so maybe that would have to be taken in to consideration.
That's just my thoughts. Of course it might be totally different, and if you are going to work on such a page you have to decide what you are willing to do. :-) I don't suppose a color or design scheme is that important as long as it isn't really weird and everything on the page is done in the same style.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck Assistive Technology Trainer http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:03 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: page breaks in K1000
Hi Sarah,
Yes organizing the flood of information will be a challenge. If you or anyone else has a good idea for a dynamic system, I'd be more than happy to look into coding one. I'm already paying the $10/month for my web space and it includes full ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, and backend database connectivity. For example we could organize product specific questions and general tips and present them in order of their use. If a user chose an option, the action would be recorded in a database and that data used to put the most frequently saught after information toward the top of the list. This incidently is common among FAQs.
Feel free to bounce ideas around and let me know if you come up with anything you think would be feasible.
Best,
Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 10:44 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: page breaks in K1000
Yes, sounds good. I'm most comfortable with Kurzweil, so most of my tips
will be for that as well as tips that aren't program specific.
I think the directions from Donna for Abby Fine Reader would be great. Can someone ask her for
permission to post that? I also really think Karie's directions for correct
title, author, and copyright info should be included if she doesn't mind.
Kellie has developed a pretty good method for removing extra line breaks in those really messy books that would be too tedious to fix all by hand. Gerald, could you supply some tips on find and replace in Word?
I know there is a lot of knowledge and experience in the group on this list, and If people take a little piece of the project it might actually be doable. Compiling all the tips might really be the hardest part. They will need to be organized somehow, and bad suggestions will have to be weeded out.
I also think it might help the work load if links to some information can be made instead of making one person create all the web pages from the written tips. Reformatting E-mail messages that we have permission to turn in to web pages will take a little bit of reconstruction. I'm willing to provide what I can, which would include some web space, some tips, and some time and effort in creating pages from submitted tips. We just have to work out how to organize the work, and what kind of standards we want to follow in the presentation of the pages.
Sorry if this is messy. I was preocupied with a show on TV part of the time i was writing. :-)
Sarah Van Oosterwijck Assistive Technology Trainer http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:00 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: page breaks in K1000
HI Sarah:
I have a suggestion, why don't we create a list of tips for best scanning
results as well as validating. I will ask Rui to post it on his
booksharescans page and perhaps Jake won't mind posting it on his page as
well. So if you want to write something you can. If you'd like we can
work together on it also.
If anyone wants to write tips you can send it to me and I will make sure
that posted on Rui's page. I think I still have Donna's post on scanning
with fine reader. I will include that too.
So what does everyone think? Comments? Suggestions?
Grace
silvara@xxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Van Oosterwijck" <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: page breaks in K1000
Different software is not needed. It is only necessary for people to
leave in the page numbers when submitting a book, so a validator is able
to confirm that page breaks and page numbers occur as matched pairs.
Submitters also need to set their software for two page scanning when
they are scanning books by laying the whole book flat on the scanner.
Scanning software does not ordinarily leave out page breaks, and it has
already been determined that the bookshare tools recognize section
breaks, like those used by Fine Engine, as page breaks. They can be
changed for a validators convenience to page breaks, but leaving them
would be fine as far as bookshare is concerned. As Gerald pointed out,
they are not the same as soft page breaks, which don't exist at all in
the saved file. They are only a product of your Word processor's
imagination, or it's printer margin settings if you prefer the technical
explanation. :-)
Page break loss is usually caused by someone saving the scanned book in
TXT format, but it does seem to occasionally happen for some other
reason that no one has been able to explain. :-)
More than anything else bookshare seems to need to provide a section of
website for their volunteers. They need to collect resources explaining
how to supply bookshare with high quality scans, and how validators can
insure what they review is acceptable. Currently bookshare only
provides a very short document explaining what is acceptable, but giving
no hint about how to go about checking those things.
I'd be happy to help with that project, but I don't think I am willing
to take the responsibility for explaining standards and techniques on my
own. I could write up some tips and put them on my webpage, but there
may be those that would disagree with what I said. I also don't know
how people would ever know to look there when my page has nothing to do
with bookshare.
I know bookshare doesn't have the time to provide these resources, but they might at least consider accepting tip pages written by volunteers and be willing to post them if they find the content of those pages acceptable. Again, I don't know who to suggest this too, and I am far from the first person to express these thoughts.
Sarah Van Oosterwijck
Assistive Technology Trainer
http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
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